ADS-B Canada May 16th deadline

[dzubot]

Hi all, I use a pipistrel for survey work in Canada and regularly fly at 14,000ft, I have the dynon skyview with mode - s and ads-b in/out with 2020 compliant gps. Does anyone know if this meets the space based requirement set in Canada?

On may 16, 2024 aircraft must have a space based ads-b system to fly in class B airspace.

If the dynon system doesn't meet this requirement then what are the options?

 

[Rhino]

No. Dynon systems don’t suport diversity mode, which you need for satellite ADS-B, nor is the Dynon antenna diversity capable. Do an internet search for "diversity transponders" to view possible options.

 

[dzubot]

I’m surprised Dynon would not implement something or support the tailbeaconx to give us an option. Dynon why do you not support the tailbeacon until you guys come out with a hardware solution? I would think that would be easiest solution for now.

 

[dzubot]

On a second note my ads-b status indicates no signal in the menu. I recently did the latest firmware update. But do not know if it was like this before updating. Thoughts?

 

[Rhino]

I’m surprised Dynon would not implement something or support the tailbeaconx to give us an option. Dynon why do you not support the tailbeacon until you guys come out with a hardware solution? I would think that would be easiest solution for now.

Since the TailbeaconX is ADS-B Out only, which is a step back in capability, it's somewhat unlikely Dynon would jump through any major hoops to support it. It was also uncertain for quite some time if Canada was even going to adopt a satellite system. First they were, then they weren't, and now they are again. Canada probably isn’t a huge portion of the Dynon market. That’s not a reflection on importance though. Any development effort by any company has to be weighed against a return on investment, and market share plays heavily into that. None of this means they won't offer such support. It just wasn't a huge priority.

On a second note my ads-b status indicates no signal in the menu. I recently did the latest firmware update. But do not know if it was like this before updating. Thoughts?

ADS-B PARTIAL

Classic Skyview with GPS 2020, Xponder 261, and ADS-B 470. All performing well until I updated to 16.6.0 firmware. Since then, I have the ADS-B PARTIAL displayed on Skyview. I don't seem to be receiving Wx anymore. Traffic is fine, METARs fine. Xponder and GPS status looks good in set-up...

forum.flydynon.com

 

[tedbain]

Rhino is correct about NavCanada/Transport Canada’s flip flopping as well as the low economic priority for a diversity transponder.
I have the Dynon transponder with an under wing antenna and have passed several Nav Canada ADS-B queries.
I am in Vancouver and have heard rumors about ground stations in high traffic areas (Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal). I haven’t been able to get any info on this.
COPA is looking into some sort of blanket exemption and we will have to wait and see if they are successfu.
Rhino referenced a thread on ADS-B partial and I have posted regarding my experience.

 

[Spunk]

You can use a uAvionix tailBeaconX with an AV-30-(E or S) to control it. AV-30-S is needed for a certified installation. AV-30-E is for experimental. Also for experimental you can use the AV-20-E. It would be great if we could control it using the HDX. I wonder if an Avidyne could control it.

Update: I just looked at the uAvionix site. I guess there's an AV-20-S now that can be used to control the tailBeaconX in a certified system now.

tailBeaconX - uAvionix

tailBeaconX Fly Without Boundaries tailBeaconX is the next era of global ADS-B. Compatible with surface and space-based ADS-B surveillance systems, tailBeaconX is a Mode S Extended Squitter ADS-B transponder and aviation GPS integrated into an LED rear position light. With global compliance...

uavionix.com

 

[Rhino]

That's one of the options. Garmin has two diversity transponders, one that adds ADS-B In and will interface with an EFIS. I don't know if that interface would work with a Dynon. If I wasn't needing ADS-B In, I'd go with the tailBeacon. Less cost and less proprietary BS.

If I'm not mistaken, vlittle (a user here) created a homegrown control box solution for the tailBeacon.

 

[soarhead]

Nav Canada now has a web based interface, similar to the FAA for checking reception of your "Diversity" system. Just so you know, I have the Dynon Mode S, FAA 2020 compliant system just like yours and because the fuselage of the RV-4 has such a small profile, I figured I would do a test flight and submit for data. I scored a 9/10 for satellite reception with just my regular antenna on the belly. For larger profile aircraft, you could put the antenna in the wingtip. Some guys are installing the Advanced Aircraft Electronics High Gain Transponder Antenna (L2) from Spruce in the wingtip and getting great reports back. It is not a Diversity antenna but it is being seen by both the satellites and the ground stations.

NAV CANADA Public ADS-B Performance Report

Validate the performance of ADS-B Out equipment installed on aircraft with NAV CANADA's Public ADS-B Performance Report (PAPR).

www.navcanada.ca

 

[dzubot]

I installed the 2020 gps, and did a flight with it today, other aircraft reported seeing me fine on their ads-b in. Half way through the flight I was looking at my transponder settings and realized didn't have the hex code set, so I looked it up and entered the code. After the flight I checked the ADS-B performance report, nothing available to generate a report. I'm thinking maybe needed to do power cycle or something in order for that code to work? I'll have to do another test flight now and see if I can get anything on the performance report. Here's screenshot of my settings. The odd thing is that I looked on flight aware app and it showed my aircraft flying in Chile, I'm in northern Canada. Hopefully now having the hex code enter will fix these issues.

 

[soarhead]

I installed the 2020 gps, and did a flight with it today, other aircraft reported seeing me fine on their ads-b in. Half way through the flight I was looking at my transponder settings and realized didn't have the hex code set, so I looked it up and entered the code. After the flight I checked the ADS-B performance report, nothing available to generate a report. I'm thinking maybe needed to do power cycle or something in order for that code to work? I'll have to do another test flight now and see if I can get anything on the performance report. Here's screenshot of my settings. The odd thing is that I looked on flight aware app and it showed my aircraft flying in Chile, I'm in northern Canada. Hopefully now having the hex code enter will fix these issues.

It looks like something hasn't been right since at least May 2nd. That's as far back as I can see. In the history of your registration, I am seeing hits in the Bahamas, Mexico and High Level AB all within 24hrs of each other. I notice that your Flight ID setting is "Unused". Try putting your registration in there. If you look back in your logbook, do all the time and dates of the flights that show up in Chile, Mexico and the Bahamas actually correspond to times and dates that you are actually airborne?

 

[dzubot]

I can confirm I was flying during these recordings that show me in all sorts of different countries. My transponder was set to hex code of 12345. So maybe this is what was causing the issue? Flight ID shouldn’t matter as far what I can tell from reading the manual but can try setting that to call sign for todays flight.

 

[soarhead]

I can confirm I was flying during these recordings that show me in all sorts of different countries. My transponder was set to hex code of 12345. So maybe this is what was causing the issue? Flight ID shouldn’t matter as far what I can tell from reading the manual but can try setting that to call sign for todays flight.

Having a different hex code could certainly be the issue. Flight ID is what your transponder will send out, correlated to your HEX code. For example, at work I fly an aircraft that has a civil registration and a HEX Code but the ADS-B will send out a Flight ID of ACXXX with XXX being our flight number. In my RV-4, I have Flight ID set as C-GUYM and that is what everyone sees instead of just broadcasting my HEX code. Hope that helps.

 

[dzubot]

Did a short 15 min flight today, weather isn't great so had to stick low and short 500-1000ft, flight aware shows good flight track now, not in a different country finally. PAPR test didn't result in anything, my guess is the flight was too short and too low, report says not enough data available to generate a report. Will wait for some better weather in couple days and do a longer higher flight. Thanks for your guys help! Will report back after longer test flight with results from the PAPR test.