D-10 in helicopter applications

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bregman(Guest)

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does anyone have exprience with the D-10 in a helicopter? I have run across only one PFD that seemed to understand how helicopters fly, and I really don't want to blow the money to find another that doesn't understand flying sideways/backwards or yaw at more than 90deg/sec.

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dynonsupport

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The EFIS requires an accurate airspeed input (from the pitot) in order to operate properly. Due to the fact that a helicopter can fly and accellerate quickly in a variety of directions that are not in line with the pitot, we cannot be 100% sure that it will operate to your satisfcation. It won't have any issues with the yaw rate, but it could have attitude problems when accelerating/decellerating rapidly in any direction but forwards.

That being said, a few people have flown them in helicopters and have been satisfied with the performance. One unique thing with the Dynon EFIS is that it is self-correcting in flight and even if you give it a problematic situation that causes a attitude innaccuracy, it will fix itself fairly quickly without any user intervention.
 
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me(Guest)

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Why would the AHRS be biased so heavily by pitot data. We find that the pitot data is often very wrong in a helicopter. All depends on the attitude. The helicopter doesn't have to "face the wind" even if going forward. For instance, what would happen in an autorotation, particularly a hovering auto? Or what happens when the airspeed is very low, say 20kts on approach? does the unit get lost?

Just trying to understand how it all works! Thanks.
 

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All "inexpensive" AHRS units that use soild state gyros have problems with drift in the gyro sensors. To correct for this, a calculation is done that looks at acceleration and figures out if the gyro is drifting or not. We use pitot data to do some acceleration corrections, while other AHRS units use GPS or other solutions.

We did design the EFIS to be used in fixed wing aircraft, and thus we make some assumptions about the way that a fixed wing aircaft can move in order to make the best fixed-wing EFIS that we could.

We have had a few customers install the EFIS in helicopters and they have been happy with them. Maybe we are over-estimating the errors that a helicopter could induce in the EFIS, but conceptually, the EFIS could give you incorrect attitude in a rotorcraft. The errors would be greatest doing things a plane really, really can't do, like accelerating sideways. A hover would be fine, since the pitot is not lying to us at that time- you are stopped. An autorotation would also be fine. It's backwards and sideways flight that we expect could cause problems.

First and formost what we are looking for in pitot data is the change in airspeed over time, not the absolute airspeed, and we have other sensors that are redundant to pitot, so some innaccuracy in a pitot is fine.

One unique thing about our AHRS- it is self correcting in flight. If it gets lost at some point, it will correct itself once you are near level and not doing anything too strange.
 
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Me(Guest)

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thanks! that helps me understand how your unit works. The PFD that I've found working in helicopters (in all cases) probably uses GPS for that kind of data. Probably one reason why it's so much more expensive too!
 

khorton

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We need to keep the accuracy of the attitude display in perspective.  Does it really matter if it is inaccurate when you are doing things like hovering, hover taxi, confined area operations, etc?  Those operations are done using visual references.  They are not instrument manoeuvres.  If you are doing the kinds of manoeuvres you would do in IFR flight, then the attitude should be accurate.
 

mikey1ten

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Clock not keeping time

My d-100 is connected to a avmap ekp-4 gps.   They seem to work very well together, so far.  The time on my D-100 is off by several hours each day.  I reset it and take off and the next day it is off, again.  Did someone mention a way to have it reset by the gps automatically upon power up of the gps?  If someone can tell me how to do this,I would appreciate it.  I have the internal battery (in good shape) but no keep alive connected.  
Thanks.  Michael.
 

dynonsupport

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If it gets GPS time, it will set it. There's nothing for you to so. If it's hooked to your avmap and the time isn't getting set, that's because the Avmap isn't outputting the time.

Avmap has been very responsive to customer requests. It might be worth writing and asking them to update their firmware to output time.

On another note however, hours a day time loss is a problem and can affect other parts of the EFIS. If it's truly losing time like that, we should probably look at it. A minute or so a day is OK, but not an hour.
 
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