Map-Info not accessing entire database

[swatson999]

This weekend, I went to access the Info for my destination airport, via the usual MAP button followed by INFO button, but once again, all I had were 3 tabs:

Recent, User, Rmk

That's it...no way to enter an airport, or any other navaid. Tried several times, no joy. Tried looking for the airport via Direct (which was not what I wanted), and after a few more minutes button pressing, suddenly, the Info button showed the usual set of options

Recent, APT, FREQ, WX, User, the whole shebang.

This is the second or third time I've seen this. It's acting like it's not accessing the database initially.

What gives?

 

[dynonsupport]

Is this right after boot? The databases are loading right after it boots up.

 

[swatson999]

Is this right after boot? The databases are loading right after it boots up.

Negative. 30 minutes into the flight.

 

[dynonsupport]

Steve, no great ideas. Not something we have heard of before.

A few questions:

Do you still see airports etc on the map during this time?
What does the nearest page show (if you have it)?
If this is a multiscreen system does the other display show "syncronizing database"?
Does the Installed Databases menu show anything strange?

 

[swatson999]

Steve, no great ideas. Not something we have heard of before.

A few questions:

Do you still see airports etc on the map during this time? 
What does the nearest page show (if you have it)? 
If this is a multiscreen system does the other display show "syncronizing database"? 
Does the Installed Databases menu show anything strange?

In order:

Yes
I don't recall what it showed, precisely (and I'd rather not guess and give the wrong answer)
No
No, the databases are all fine

 

[skysailor]

For what it is worth, I have seen the same thing in my system. The workaround I have been using is to display the flight plan, highlight the destination and then press INFO. The normal box comes up with all the correct tabs. Mine is a single system, current databases, all data on the map correctly displayed and it also happens only in flight but not all the time. I have yet to isolate what is different when it occurs.

 

[Dynon]

Which aviation and obstacle databases are you each running, and what software version?

 

[skysailor]

Aviation and obstacle databases are kept current. This has happened with previous versions of those so I do not think it is new. My software version is the one just prior to 12.2 as I do not have the transponder.

 

[swatson999]

Same here. Everything up to date, all databases and software V12.2 (but this happened before 12.2, as well).

I will note that I had no flight plan active on the Skyview, but one on the 430W which was driving the Skyview (HSI, etc.).

However, I virtually never use the SV FP capability, preferring to use the 430W, so I don't think that explains it, as most of the time, MAP-INFO works as advertised.

 

[swatson999]

I mentioned this before...see this thread

http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1413154788/2#2

 

[Dynon]

So I think this is a quirk of our UI that I agree is confusing (as evidenced by this thread). If you have a non-airport thing selected, such as a USER waypoint in particular, the top menu of the INFO window won't have an APT tab (because you don't have , but, if pop down into the USER (or other thing that may be selected, maybe VOR, etc) tab, you can change the identifier/name/city and then the top tab will update dynamically. Additionally, NRST will bring you back to the normal list of all the different nearest items of various categories. Another way to think about this: When you're not seeing the other category tabs, you're "drilled down" into the INFO page of a non-airport thing. Therefore the tabs reflect the data categories available for it.

 

[swatson999]

Aha...okay, let me try that to see if that's what's happening. Yes, I had recently, on the ground, created a new User waypoint in the database.

That said, that's mighty confusing (and a kludgy way to get back to the "top" level with all the categories of database items...might want to think about a way to get "undrilled down" ).

Thanks for following up on this...I'll confirm that's what's happening and get back with you.

 

[dynonsupport]

It's not a kludge to get back to "the top". I think the use of "drilled down" was incorrect. It just means the thing you have INFO up for isn't an airport.

INFO brings up the last thing you looked up via INFO, NRST, or touch.

If the last thing you looked up was a user waypoint, VOR, NDB, etc, then tabs for CHARTS, RUNWAYS, etc, don't make sense. If you were on a user waypoint and CHARTS were there, what would you expect to be under charts?

If you want an airport, you need to spin in the ident. The instant you do that, you will get the tabs you expect. Any time you are in INFO, you can edit the ID shown there to be the thing you want, and you'll immediately get the tabs you expect.

 

[skysailor]

Thanks for the explanation. It is possible the last thing I had selected was airspace and so the missing info. Easy enough now.

 

[swatson999]

It's not a kludge to get back to "the top". I think the use of "drilled down" was incorrect. It just means the thing you have INFO up for isn't an airport.

INFO brings up the last thing you looked up via INFO, NRST, or touch.

If the last thing you looked up was a user waypoint, VOR, NDB, etc, then tabs for CHARTS, RUNWAYS, etc, don't make sense. If you were on a user waypoint and CHARTS were there, what would you expect to be under charts?

If you want an airport, you need to spin in the ident. The instant you do that, you will get the tabs you expect. Any time you are in INFO, you can edit the ID shown there to be the thing you want, and you'll immediately get the tabs you expect.

Yep, got it...it's just a different paradigm (using an identifier as a means of getting to a list of *types* of things, rather than some way of listing out those types directly...think Garmin's 430/530 "pages", where one selects the top-level activity of accessing the database, then selects what type of thing in the DB you want).

So it's not "wrong", just different, and you may wish to consider a different way of doing this...maybe an option to have the INFO button always revert back to a top level or something?

I dunno, I just find it somewhat confusing, but I'm sure now that I know, I'll get used to ti.