Skyview GNS-430 Settings

[timfwalsh01]

Folks,

The settings on the GNS430 are kicking my butt!!  I recently upgraded my panel and cannot get the 430 serial data connection to work.  I have been through this before with an early Dynon software version.

I added the Dynon ARINC429, and have the latest Dynon software - 2.6

Assuming I connected the 430 wires correctly to the Approach Fast Stack hub (plug and play), and the Skyview settings (serial four) are simple....the 430 is not communicating (no data out.  You can tell by the Skyview serial settings  Tx and Rx data steams).

Here are the settings I had last time I had the Skyview working with the GNS430 Configuration (software 5.01):

Main ARINC429 Config:

   In 1    Speed - Low     Data - Off

   In 2    Speed - Low     Data - Honeywell EFIS

   Out     Speed - Low     Data - GAMA429 Graphics w/Int

   SDI     Speed - Common

Main RS232 Configuration

   Chan 1  Input - Off         Output - Aviation

   Chan 2  Input - Icarus-Alt  Output - Off

   Chan 3-5 Input - Off        Output - Off


VOR/LOC/GS ARINC429 Config:

Speed RX - Low TX - LOW

SDI RX - Common

DME Directed Freq 1
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According to Dynon the settings are suppose to be:

Main ARINC429 Config:

   In 1   Speed - High     Data - EFIS/Airdata  

(I cannot select the "EFIS/Airdata" on the 430 config page, it is in light blue.  It will not allow me to use as a setting.  I also went into the RS232 Setup - it will not allow me to use)

   In 2:   Unused

   Out     Speed - High    Data - Gama 429

   SDI     Common

VOR/LOC/GS ARINC429 config:

   TX: High

   RX: High

   SDI: Common

   DME:  Not used

Since upgrading, the old settings, nor the new settings are working.  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.  Tim

 

[jakej]

Tim, sorry to be stating the obvious? but I'd be checking out the serial/data wiring

Jake J

 

[timfwalsh01]

Jake,

I am very confident the Approach Stack system is attached correctly.  It truly is a plug and play system (I have checked it about four times as well).

The fact I can not display the EFIS/Airdata in the GNS-430 config settings is problematic.  I think the below settings was a work around in the previous iteration.  

I do not know if the new Dynon software update might have messed me up.  I did have the local avionics shop talk to Dynon tech support about the settings.  It worked then, not now  :-(

I was curious if anyone else encountered this problem.

Of course I will check the the wiring again!!

I will call Garmin tomorrow. Tim

 

[johnsteichen]

Tim,I feel your pain
I have also struggled with the meager offerings by dynon on the subject.
To complicate the problem I personally swap my 430 between 2 different aircraft. In my non sky view aircraft the 430 drives an stec 50 autopilot thru a GPSS interface. Wen I finally got my sky view working, the garmin would no longer drive the gpss steering. I traced it down to the sky vies requiring a fast input on the main 429 page of the gamin, and my stec installation needed a low speed input.
I hesitate to give you advice yet because my opinions are only based on
What I see when the garmin goes thru it's test page. I do get a vertical needle and the magenta and green needles in their half left position during the test. My sky view glastar is grounded for a few months while I wait for a new replacement prop
Dynon needs to publish clear photos of the garmin setup pages in a known working setup to remove the confusion.
Ps my garmin 430 setup is direct wired to the 429 converter module.

 

[763LB]

ME TOO!
New installation dual Skyview 10" ARINC 429  to a GNS 430w. I've bungled around and found the airdata/efis and gama 429 are the settings with speeds set to High sdi common and nav labels enabled that work to drive the GPS connection but cant find a config to allow the nav side to work. I see you found a nav/loc/gs setup window that I haven't found yet. guess I need to go much deeper into the 430 menu. I did find that the 430 only supports one conect w/airdata/efis protocol and it didnt matter which input it was set to.  Good luck

 

[johnsteichen]

YES Nav labels must be enabled. That was my break thru now that reply 4 mentioned it. Try that

 

[jakej]

Tim

I should have mentioned 'settings' as well - especially as you are confident about the wiring. Be interested to hear about the resolution to your problem.

Jake J

 

[timfwalsh01]

I feel better knowing that I am not the only one.

Dynon,

Welcome back.  Happy New Year!!  Can you publish the formal GNS-430 settings.

I will contact Garmin support and get a "GNS 430 Configuration sheet."  It is a four page document that walks through the process for setup on the various screens, and all the potential datafields.

I will then post the sheet so all can see, and use as a reference.  Tim

 

[johnsteichen]

Two attaboys Tim

 

[jlakins]

Tim
For what its worth here are my settings for my GNS430W.
Main ARINC429 Config:

  In 1    Speed - High     Data - EFIS/Airdata

  In 2    Speed -Off     Data -

  Out     Speed - High     Data - GAMA429

  SDI    Common

  VNAV  Enable Labels

Main RS232 Configuration

  Chan 1  Input - Icarus-Alt        Output - Aviation

  Chan 2  Input - Off  Output - Off

  Chan 3  Input - Off        Output - Off

  Chan 4  Input - Off        Output - Off


VOR/LOC/GS ARINC429 Config:

Speed RX - High                TX - High

SDI     RX - Common

DME    Directed Freq 1


SkyView

ARINC 429 should be in the Network Status.
System Setup --> ARINC429
   Module 1  (SN xxxx)
       Input Speed         High
       Input 1                GPS 1
           Labels Received     Should be incrementing

       Input 2                Nav 1
           Labels Received     Should be incrementing
     
       Output Speed       High

Honyewell EFIS and EFIS/Airdata mutually exclusive.
If Honyewell EFIS is selected on In 2 neither it or EFIS/Airdata can be selected on In 1 or vice versa.

Jimmie

 

[timfwalsh01]

Folks,

Thanks all for responding to my request - glad I am not the only one

The proposed solution (based on discussions with Garmin and Dynon).  I am going to get a hold of blank Garmin GNS-430, and GNS-430W configuration worksheets.  It lists how to change the configuration menus.

Yes, apparently there are differences between the 430, and 430W.

I will then send them to Dynon, and they will publish.

I think this will go a long way to clarify the confusion (at least for me).

Tim

 

[timfwalsh01]

I did find out why I could not get the "EFIS/Airdata" for Input 1.

I marked
In 2   Speed Low                Data Honeywell EFIS

I need to make sure that since In 2 is not used, I must have it in the Off position.  You cannot have the EFIS function appled twice, hence the reason it was not available for:

In 1  Speed High               AFIS/Airdata

This will solve my problem.  The Garmin tech said he has never seen this before (he was actually testing on a GNS-430).  So glad I good be that "special one."

So glad this forum exists, so we can share lessons learned!!  Tim

 

[dynonsupport]

To all,

The GNS430/530 settings necessary to communicate with the SkyView system are identical to the settings required to communicate with our first generation devices (D10/D100 series).  Please refer to our wiki at the following link:

http://wiki.dynonavionics.com/Garmin_430/530_Wiring

The only difference we are aware of between the WAAS and non-WAAS versions of the 430/530 is that for the WAAS version you must enable the output of vertical guidance.

One important note regarding wiring:  SkyView requires GPS altitude data from the Garmin.  That information was not used by our first generation devices.  The 430/530 only outputs that information as serial data, not as part of the ARINC stream.  For SkyView,  the serial output from the Garmin must be connected to Pin 3 on the ARINC module's female D25 connector.  

Anyone who originally had the Garmin connected to the SkyView as a serial device must relocate that serial connection from the EFIS primary harness to Pin 3 on the ARINC connector.

Also, while the Garmin can output serial data on up to 4 separate serial channels, each data type can only be output on a single channel.  Thus if you have devices other than the SkyView also requiring AirData serial output, you must split the wires from a single serial out channel to run to both the SkyView and the other receiving device(s).

 

[763LB]

Thanks Dynon
hopefully that will let us get closer to finished. Do you then set the Skyview serial prt to Gns 430w I assume that is a required setting as well Thanks again

 

[timfwalsh01]

Jimmie - thanks for the input, I beleive this is what is needed for the Garmin users.

I understand Dynon does not want to become the Garmin tech line, but I sent copies of the GNS-430 configuration doument to them.  The hope is to fill out the form, very similar to the format Jimmie provided, and post on the Wiki.

Key points:
HS-34 ARINC429 settings = Skyview settings
Jimmie 's post - correct Garmin configuration format

I believe the information is located in different places, it just needs to be reformatted.

Hope this helps.  Tim

 

[PhantomPholly]

Hey Gang,

Please don't forget to update the Wiki with the final solution so others don't have to fumble through searching the forums.

 

[flaude]

soif I have understood well when you have the ARINC 429, nothing from the Garmin go to the 5 serial port of the Skyview. The 2 wire that come from the P4001 (P56 & 57) go the DB25 arinc??

 

[dynonsupport]

If you have the SV-GPS-250 module (many people do), you still connect that to serial port 5, and it provides the primary position input for SkyView at 5hz.

The serial TX output only (so pin 56, not pin 57) goes directly to the SV-ARINC-429 module, not to the SkyView display. See the diagram in the SkyView Installation Guide for more information.

 

[flaude]

As I have the GPS 250 I will do like you say

thank you