Dynon Previews Integrated IFR GPS Navigation Capability for SkyView HDX

most of what you just posted aren’t Dynon issues.

Incorrect, if those features I mentioned are built in to the non-Dynon audio controller AND not supported via Dynon firmware then it IS most certainly a Dynon failure to fully support the audio panel. Those missing capabilities I mentioned are also stated as features of the new Dynon remote audio panel. Confirmed with Dynon HDX lead support too and has statement is to wait for 17.7 for fuller support of the new audio panel. One other note, the remote audio panel is more full supported in the AFS panels.

After a month of flying my RV9A with this new remote audio panel all I have is promises of “future” support of the missing features list on Dynon literature and bugs such as clipped audio from HDX generated audio messages to name a few.
 
Not incorrect.

If you are having issues with Bluetooth audio within the audio panel, that is not a Dynon integration issue.

Some are integration issues, yes, but some sound like user error or PSEngineering issues.

You have the guidance and recommendations from the items that aware Dynon issues. It makes sense that they got the main functionality working and released before the additional features.

Not the huge catastrophe you’re making it out to be.
 
If you currently have an IFR navigator (mine is an IFD440) and don't add the Dynon navigator, will there be a change in flight plan functionality? Or will it require the navigator upgrade to see that functionality? My guess is no, but need to ask the question.
Your post and others are the same questions I have. Are those of us who decided to go with a GPS Navigator to have full IFR capabilities both VOR/LOC and RNAV going to be left behind? I asked Dynon's President Brad Thurow that question at AirVenture. He assured me that the capabilities will be available to us, especially the IFD series. I really don't see how, the software is being developed around Dynon's new IFR navigation. My perspective is Dynon needs to ensure those of us who spent considerable amount of money adding IFR because Dynon did not have that capability are going to have the same functionality. My thoughts, would like to hear from Dynon.
 
Your post and others are the same questions I have. Are those of us who decided to go with a GPS Navigator to have full IFR capabilities both VOR/LOC and RNAV going to be left behind? I asked Dynon's President Brad Thurow that question at AirVenture. He assured me that the capabilities will be available to us, especially the IFD series. I really don't see how, the software is being developed around Dynon's new IFR navigation. My perspective is Dynon needs to ensure those of us who spent considerable amount of money adding IFR because Dynon did not have that capability are going to have the same functionality. My thoughts, would like to hear from Dynon.
You can currently have a flight plan in your Dynon or IFD, same with the new update except Dynon will be able to do GPS IFR natively.
 
True, I do have the flight plan from IFD to Dynon. But, we cannot modify the flight plan on the Dynon to the IFD. Plus, VNAV waypoints on an IAP are not available on the Dynon. Just VNAV in relationship to the arrival airport. The new software for the new Dynon IFR navigator is advertised to do all of that, but will not interface with the IFD in the current plans. I really do not want to spend tons more money and modification to the existing install. Dynon should step up and support everyone who currently has a IFR navigator installed since nothing was available previously. Garmin and Avidyne products currently support across platforms.
 
Dynon should first:
1. complete the development of AOA to match the capabilities of 'fly in speed' system - this is safety related feature
2. do something to incorporate into skyview network any kind of radar altimeter (not LIDAR) - like Garmin did. Again a safety related issue. Most of us have no free RS232 ports, therefore whatever radar altimeter Dynon comes up with it needs to connect to the skyview network
 
Dynon should first:
1. complete the development of AOA to match the capabilities of 'fly in speed' system - this is safety related feature
2. do something to incorporate into skyview network any kind of radar altimeter (not LIDAR) - like Garmin did. Again a safety related issue. Most of us have no free RS232 ports, therefore whatever radar altimeter Dynon comes up with it needs to connect to the skyview network
With all due respect - if you can't land your RV safely without a radar altimeter, then the Dynon product is the least of your problems.

Lack of radar altimeter IS NOT a safety issue in small aircraft. You could perhaps make a valid argument around transports or airline, even small business jets - but I'm not buying it for small single-engine GA. And yes, I fly hard IMC and frequently make approaches to minimums - I am speaking from an experienced point of view. We don't have access to minimums below 200' and 1/2 mile visibility like CAT III - having a radar altimeter at this point is just another useless gadget in the panel. You either see the runway at 200' or you go around.

The current AOA system works as advertised and is sufficient - if you want something better, there are other products on the market that you can integrate into your system.

Dynon is a business - and they will focus the development of their products on the segment of the market which represents the greatest demand, and thus the greatest amount of sales for that business, just like every other business in the world. It is inevitable that not everyone gets supported with every possible product variation.
 
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The current AOA system works as advertised and is sufficient - if you want something better, there are other products on the market that you can integrate into your system.
I do disagree [a bit]. Yes, it does work as advertised. Whether it is "sufficient" depends on what that means. No AOA system is "Sufficient". We did without them for many, many years.

... But a better AOA system - what RV14_TD meant (I think) was Fly On-Speed, not In Speed), is so much better that you have to experience it to understand. It communicates AOA, using a aural tone signal, in a way that, after experiencing and using it for a very short period of time, can make it an integral part of your constant, unavoidable, hard-to-ignore situation awareness about the state of your aircraft aerodynamic performance.

Among other advantages, it "almost" eliminates the tendency or temptation to pull on the pole/yoke to solve aircraft maneuvering issues that in many cases result in loss of control and fatal low altitude stall spin accidents. It effectively eliminates the need to monitor indicated airspeed inside the cockpit during critical low-altitude phases of flight like traffic patterns, (overshooting final approach!), circling approaches in low/marginal visibility after breaking out of an overcast, etc. etc. When set up properly, it also allows the pilot to quickly and easily determine, achieve and maintain maximum L/D (minimum drag) AOA in situations where that might be important, again, without monitoring indicated airspeed, independently of gross weight, bank angle, or thrust/power setting.

To get a small taste of this go to their Fly On Speed web page and click on the video link that looks like this:
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I do disagree [a bit]. Yes, it does work as advertised. Whether it is "sufficient" depends on what that means. No AOA system is "Sufficient". We did without them for many, many years.

... But a better AOA system - what RV14_TD meant (I think) was Fly On-Speed, not In Speed), is so much better that you have to experience it to understand. It communicates AOA, using a aural tone signal, in a way that, after experiencing and using it for a very short period of time, can make it an integral part of your constant, unavoidable, hard-to-ignore situation awareness about the state of your aircraft aerodynamic performance.

Among other advantages, it "almost" eliminates the tendency or temptation to pull on the pole/yoke to solve aircraft maneuvering issues that in many cases result in loss of control and fatal low altitude stall spin accidents. It effectively eliminates the need to monitor indicated airspeed inside the cockpit during critical low-altitude phases of flight like traffic patterns, (overshooting final approach!), circling approaches in low/marginal visibility after breaking out of an overcast, etc. etc. When set up properly, it also allows the pilot to quickly and easily determine, achieve and maintain maximum L/D (minimum drag) AOA in situations where that might be important, again, without monitoring indicated airspeed, independently of gross weight, bank angle, or thrust/power setting.

To get a small taste of this go to their Fly On Speed web page and click on the video link that looks like this:
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Oh, I understand - and I'm not intending to knock the on-speed product - but it's capabilities far exceed the abilities of most GA pilots. For the vast majority of the market the current Dynon AOA tone in the headset works so much better than a simple stall warning vane that it's likely as far as they are ever going to go. The On-Speed is better, yes - but it's more than MOST people will ever need or learn to use properly. Refer to my last post and my statement about business priorities.

We still teach students in worn out 172's with steam gauges. We are not all on the same level.
 
Lack of radar altimeter IS NOT a safety issue in small aircraft.
It depends where you fly and where you land. Your absolute statement is obviously incorrect
How many new RV10s are build without one? My educated guess is that it's a minority
But regardless, if Dynon does not keep up with Garmin on basic capabilities, then ...
 
It depends where you fly and where you land. Your absolute statement is obviously incorrect
How many new RV10s are build without one? My educated guess is that it's a minority
But regardless, if Dynon does not keep up with Garmin on basic capabilities, then ...
RV10's built without a radar altimeter? Well, considering that I haven't personally seen a single one yet WITH a radar altimeter, I'm going to say that that's pretty common. Since I'm building one myself, I make a habit of looking at a lot of RV10's, and talking with a lot of owners/builders. I haven't found a single radar altimeter yet.

Where are you flying that a radar altimeter is considered mandatory for safety?
 
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Safety issues are things like when a company knowingly displays the wrong missed approach hold altitude. I had another company, not Dynon trying to downplay that issue.

There are lots of things that can add safety, that doesn't mean they are safety related issues. Should Dynon prioritize autoland for GA over all other features? Personally I'd prioritize more complete integration with the IFD series over these other features.
 
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