Auto copy data log to USB drive upon shutdown?

[jc2da]

Dynon, another suggestion after my last flight. I would LOVE for SV to auto copy data log to USB drive after a flight. At least make this an option. I keep forgetting to do this, and it would be nice for it to be done automatically for us with memory problems.

Jae

 

[preid]

If not auto than a way to press 1 button on bottom of screen/ single step, to save logs versus the tiresome setup route and multiple steps. I'm with jChang, I generally forget to go through the setup process to export.
Would rather see it as an option to press to export during my shutdown.

 

[dynonsupport]

Jae:

A few questions before we submit this as a suggestion:
* How would you like SkyView to determine when to START the data log? A certain airspeed?
* How would you like SkyView to determine when to STOP the data log (determine when flight is complete)?
* Is there a specific procedure that you do when flight is complete that SkyView could use as a definitive trigger to write the datalog?

Note that when you shut off your avionics, (and have an SV-BAT-320 backup battery) SkyView starts an orderly shutdown and it may not be possible to write to the USB flash drive during the 30-second countdown.

Dynon, another suggestion after my last flight. I would LOVE for SV to auto copy data log to USB drive after a flight. At least make this an option. I keep forgetting to do this, and it would be nice for it to be done automatically for us with memory problems.

Jae

 

[preid]

I'm not jae, but keep everything in the datalogs "as is" today except the method to export to be automatic or a button available when rpm is "0" on the EMS.
Since datalogs retain multiple flights until "cleared" having the option to press a button when done for the day would allow for the user to skip exporting until ready.
I was thinking for the button on the screen? That could sit under tools/ datalog / export and clear or export or clear ( three buttons under that menu) or as simple as using one of the free buttons available at shutdown.

 

[thibault]

Dynon,

I vote for manual operation.  When engine was running, and RPM is now zero, pop up a yes/no dialog "Export logs?"  If yes, then another yes/no dialog "Clear logs, when done?"

If no on the first question, then exit pop up.  If no on second question, then write the logs but do not clear.  If yes on both, then write the logs and clear them, and do not start a new log until power cycle.

If power is removed with either dialog up or during export/clear, exit and do normal shutdown (assuming this will not corrupt SV).

 

[jc2da]

Jae:

A few questions before we submit this as a suggestion:
* How would you like SkyView to determine when to START the data log? A certain airspeed?
* How would you like SkyView to determine when to STOP the data log (determine when flight is complete)?
* Is there a specific procedure that you do when flight is complete that SkyView could use as a definitive trigger to write the datalog?

Note that when you shut off your avionics, (and have an SV-BAT-320 backup battery) SkyView starts an orderly shutdown and it may not be possible to write to the USB flash drive during the 30-second countdown.

Yes, those are all good questions that need to be answered. I just figured i would at least throw out the suggestion first.

Personally, i was thinking of the simplest form of this possible to solve the problem of "I forgot to download the darn data logs again, and i am home which is 30 minutes away from the airplane."

Upon shutdown, when the system warns system shutting down in 30 seconds, can SV pretend i just hit save data logs and save to the usb drive? Overwrite the previous auto-saved data logs. They could be named "autosavedatalogs.12.2v.log" or something along those lines. SV just simply automates the button pushes. Overwrite the previous autosaved log files if any exist. Nothing more. Nothing less. This way the latest data logs are always on the usb drive.

In the setup menu, there is an option "Auto save data logs upon shutdown?"

Note that when you shut off your avionics, (and have an SV-BAT-320 backup battery) SkyView starts an orderly shutdown and it may not be possible to write to the USB flash drive during the 30-second countdown.

Hmm, this is a definite problem if the battery is low. How about if battery is low charge, then just skip the auto-save. Autosave only works when system is normal. You just have to manually save files. Nothing changes with manual operation.

I am a big proponent of the KISS principle.

 

[jc2da]

Also, let me describe my usual usage scenario. I like to take lots of screenshots. My screens have all my data the way i like it: map, position, airspeed, climbspeed, vs, traffic, weather, you name it, all presented in a nice picture. I also use the screenshot to log my flights with hobbes and tach times which i use to update my logbook at home.

Thus, at home, i pull out the screenshots to update my logbook and review my flight. On practically every flight, i have probably modified or tweaked something, so i like to see if any of my tweaks made a difference with regards to airspeed, temps, climb rate, etc. etc. etc. Any of the hundreds of things us builders like to investigate.

However, the screenshot only gives a snapshot of the picture. Sometimes (not as often), i like to actually go thru the trouble of uploading the data log to Saavy. The data logs give a real time complete picture. I dont do this for every flight. Just the ones that warrant further detailed analysis.

It's on these occasions, i have wondered, boy it would be nice if the data logs were just automatically saved to the usb drive as well at the end of the flight. That way i would have the screenshots as well as the data logs saved on the usb drive. I keep the usb drives on a keychain with the airplane keys. Thus, when i take my keys home with me, the usb drives are removed and come home with me, too.

I dont know how everyone else is using their systems. I just wanted to give one use case example of mine, at least. Thanks for listening!

 

[MCRider]

Hi,

Tom's suggestion would also be my favorite solution. Nothing fancy but easy to use -and it saves quite a few keystrokes and joystick operation...

MCRider

 

[preid]

+2 on Tom's suggestion.

 

[jc2da]

IMHO, the problem with Toms solution is that it creates more work for us. My goal is LESS work for us pilots. ie fewer button pushes.

Are you guys comfortable with 2 questions popping up after every flight? Think about this after a year or more of seeing that same question popping up after every single flight? Are you sick and tired of seeing it yet again? and again? and again?

Also, will it set a future precedent for even more questions to pop up? I hope not.

With my suggestion, it is a one time setup item. Done. No more questions to answer. Nagging Betty already nags me enough with Trim up and trim down!

 

[swatson999]

Personally, i was thinking of the simplest form of this possible to solve the problem of "I forgot to download the darn data logs again, and i am home which is 30 minutes away from the airplane."

This whole thing sounds like a solution in search of a problem.

Why not just put "download data logs" on your shutdown checklist?

You DO use a checklist, right?

 

[thibault]

In my recommendation, I should have added that the first pop up would disappear automatically after xx (30?) sec.  So, there are no extra pilot actions, unless you really want the logs.

 

[preid]

To avoid pop-ups
press "tools" and have the options you suggested under that menu.
1) export
2) export and clear
when completed it would give the option to pwr off (yes/no)

otherwise there is the issue of having to exit and power off.

Unless there is a future use of the empty space within "tools" this seems like the place for one to go IF datalogs are desired, otherwise it shuts down as normal if no action is done.

The goal here is an easier way to export logs than needing to go to a setup menu and moving the dial around to navigate to the desired goal.