CHT go up when transmitting

Camillo

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Yesterday I added a ground for my ADF receiver and went under the panel to crimp the ends of the wire.

When I went in flight, I noticed that teh CHT rise approx. 15° Celtius when transmitting on radios (COM1 or COM2 is the same).

Any idea of what may had happened? I don't know if the events are connected.

Thanks.
Camillo
 

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These issues are hard to troubleshoot. If you haven't already, give us a call.
 

mmarien

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I have the same problem so I'll be interested if there is a solution.

The problem was there before I converted to the SV. My analog engine gauges would go full when I transmitted. I completely rewired when I put the SV in but still see the CHT on SV go higher when I transmit. I have an iCOM A210 and PS1200 intercom and purchased the harness for the PS1200 from PS Engineering.
 

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mmarien

As yours is a composite plane I'd add a braided earth 'strap' from your ground bus direct to the Dynon case - simple, low cost and worth a try ;)

I'll pm you.

Jake J
 

rfazio1951

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Both my CHT and EGT go up a lot when transmitting. I just noticed it yesderday. I have the EMS module fairly close to the back of the radio, about 6". I have an ICOM 210 also.
 

mmarien

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Could be the iCOM. As mentioned my analog gauges would do the same thing. I don't remember my old Valcom 760 affecting the gauges.
 

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Richard

You could try using the 'filter' type dsub connectors on the EMS module and also make sure you have the RG400 (low loss) coax cable out from the Icom - I never use any other type as it gives no problems when mixed with other power/ground wires etc ;)

Jake J
 

rfazio1951

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Jake,

I am in the process of changing the coax cable. I have the 400 on the transponder and I'm getting a new antenna for the radio and figured I'd put in the better coax also. Where do Iget the dsub filters?
 

glasair

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I fly a Glasair I FT and since 1987 my engine instruments, either analog "needle" or digital in the later years bounce around whenever I transmit.  Worse on some frequencies than others.  On some it is completely absent.  Can't remember what frequencies but is probably minimal at the center of the VHF band (see comment below about VSWR).  The composite airplane offers no shielding from the RF and I haven't found any way to avoid it.  Moving the antennas as far as possible aft away from the instrument panel lessens the effect.  The antennas are all copper foil (al la RST Avionics plans) with 3 ferrite beads just before where the coax is soldered to the foil dipole arms.  The VSWR is low at the mid-band frequency and goes up at each end of the VHF band as would be expected but stays around 2:1 so some RF is travelling down the coax reflected from the connection point to the dipole but no worse than any other installation as far as impedance matching.
I have tried filters on the power leads into the instruments but that has no effect so I don't believe the RF is getting in on the power wires.
I even did a ground experiment in which I disconnected the airplane antenna and connected the radio via a long coax to an identical external copper foil antenna about 20 feet away.  The problem nearly went away so it is a radiated energy problem, not bad grounding/shielding of the power wires, etc.
For the analog instruments the RF is probably getting picked up by the meter movement coil directly and for the digital ones it is probably swamping the front end amplifiers or something like that.
If I point the end of my handheld radio antenna at an instrument, the reading bounces around also.
I consider this to be  a "cosmetic" defect only, as it is not absolutely necessary to be able to read the CHT, EGT, amp meter, etc. for the brief instant that one is transmitting.  I stopped trying to "fix" it long ago.   Maybe for a certificated airplane that would not "fly".   I did the RF interference test on my Garmin 430W IFR GPS at the 4 frequencies that you are required to perform it at and it would lose lock somewhere near the end of the 30 second time period that you have to perform the test.  It re-locks with seconds of lifting up the transmit switch. What am I going to do, never fly IFR with the Garmin 430W?  I never transmit for 30 continuous seconds during an IFR approach so in real life it will never happen.  FAA over-regulation for certificated aircraft in my opinion and that is why I fly a homebuilt.
My DYNON is a little D6 and it never does anything unusual for some strange reason when I transmit. Strange but nice!
 

rfazio1951

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Harvey,

I agree that it is not much of a problem. When you transmit you are usually busy and not looking at the instruments anyway. My only concern was that I might somehow damage something in the EMS module, hitting it with enough power to make the readings jump. Who knows, I think not, but you never know. I crawled under the panel and checked out how I have everything located. The EMS module is maybe 2 inches away from the rear of my radio. I'm sure that's my problem. I was thinking I could move it but that is such a pain re-routing all the wirring. Some would have to be extended. I think for now I'll leave it.

Richard
 

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Harvey

You're on the mark here. The issue is RF and that's why I use RG400 coax to help mitigate the effects of it, also having the transmitter close to the Dynon doesn't help either.

I have a situation with a D100 on top of a 430W (LHS panel) & D180 next to a Microair Com (RHS panel). Transmitting on the 430W (higher power output) causes issues (alarms) with the EMS but the other Com (lower power output) doesn't do that, go figure.

My next move is to make the DSAB wires 'shielded' & then try some MU Metal around the 430W ;)

Jake J
 
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