Dynon have any plans for more powerful Com transceiver? Garmin kicking their butt.

CloudSurfer

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Now that Garmin’s com radios offer 16 watts of power, does Dynon have any plans to release a more powerful transceiver than the current 6 watt one? We’re really lacking now in range compared to Garmin. Garmin radios have over 2.5x the transmit and receive power/range.
 
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CloudSurfer

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If you have a good antenna and coax, that extra wattage really is meaningless. If you need that extra wattage to gain acceptable performance, antenna and coax is a much easier fix than a new radio.
Dynon will be at Sun and Fun next week with a display, drop by and ask.
Can you explain why the extra wattage is meaningless? My understanding was the wattage of the transceiver directly translates into range. I thought much higher wattage is why you can often hear ATC but can’t hear the airplanes talking back to them because ATC has much more transmitting wattage on the ground than the planes do in the air.
 

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While you can indeed often hear ATC talking to airplanes whose answers you do not hear, there are other reasons besides wattage that might be the situation.

It is not uncommon for one ATC controller to be working multiple frequencies at once. He might simply be replying to a plane on a different frequency. When traffic is light like late at night, center sectors may be combined. That's another reason a controller might tell you to contact HIM - the same guy - on a different frequency, as in "Contact ME on 1XX.XX" as you traverse his airspace.

Also, as in the tragic KDCA mid air, more often than not one controller talks to traffic in his area of responsibility on both VHF to civilian traffic, and UHF to military traffic. Especially in dense traffic airspace it makes full situational awareness tougher for both pilots. One transmit button press can send him out on both frequencies. When you hear your ATC controller talking to what sounds like a military call sign, vs. an airline type call sign, and you hear no answer that's most likely what's going on.
 

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While it is true that increasing the Tx wattage will increase the broadcasting range, it is not linear. That is, doubling the Tx wattage will not lead to a doubling of the broadcast range. The power from a transmitter falls off by the square of the distance. To double the range, one must square the wattage (all other things being equal) - in the case above, the Tx power would have to increase to 36 watts. The 16 watt transmitter would have a theorical increase in range of about 1.6 (square root of 2.5) over a 6 watt transmitter.
 

Carl_Froehlich

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Go ahead and buy a Garmin radio and find out the receiver has the worst selectivity on the market.

It takes 4dB of power to hear a difference in radio transmission. 3 db is a double of power. In other words going to 16 watts can be measured on an instrumented range, but that is about all. I run a GTN-650 as Comm #1 and the Dynon Radio as Comm #2. The Dynon radio is a better all around comm.

Carl
 

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Now that Garmin’s com radios offer 16 watts of power, does Dynon have any plans to release a more powerful transceiver than the current 6 watt one? We’re really lacking now in range compared to Garmin. Garmin radios have over 2.5x the transmit and receive power/range.
Do you really want to be able hear more chatter with the extra range of more powerful transmitters, I don’t. As it is now sometimes there is so much ‘talk’ that it’s hard to get to talk to atc/controllers with requests or amendments etc.
 

jnmeade

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"Garmin radios have over 2.5x the transmit and receive power/range."

Having a more powerful transmit side of the transceiver in your plane does not improve your reception. That is an issue of antennas, coax and receiver circuitry. If the other airplane has a more powerful transmitter, you may hear more, but YOU having a Garmin radio will not improve your reception.
 

GKC Aviation

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The Garmin GTR radios have 16 Watts power with only an enablement, they are standard at 10 Watts
Where I am, the GTR experimental (without 16W enablement) is $4070 AUD
The Dynon SV-COM-X25 is $2860 AUD
I know price isn't a factor for people a lot of the time, but that is quite a difference.
I have installed a lot of both radios. I do like the Garmin, and it does what it says on the box, but there is nothing wrong with the Dynon.
As was said above, transmit power has nothing to do with the receive side, that is all antenna and coax.
 

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I'm running one Dynon comm and one Avidyne, and I can't tell any difference at all in transmit/receive range between the two. I've never had any trouble reaching out 60+ miles.
 
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