Full ADS-B with Garmin XPNDR and GPS?

[cmarbach]

I have added the Dynon ADS-B receiver and it is terrific. Now I would like to have full ADS-B traffic. Unfortunately, when I bought/installed the SKYVIEW, Dynon did not have a XPNDR available so I installed a Garmin 330 Mode S and a Garmin 530W Nav/com GPS. Garmin has an update for the 330 XPNDR for "extended squitter".

How can I activate the full ADS-B with this setup?

 

[jakej]

Carl

You can (& should IMO) keep the ADS-B in Dynon unit however this link is one other way to go for ADS-B OUT
http://www.eaa.org/news/2012/2012-07-16_garmin.asp considering what equipment you have already

HTH

Jake J

 

[cmarbach]

I think I know how to the ADS-B Out. Once I do, how do I tell the Dynon (and the FAA) ADS-B that I am doing it and now should be getting full traffic displayed?

 

[dynonsupport]

What you need is to have a DO-260B compliant output. You need to ask Garmin to be 100% sure, but from what we know, you need to upgrade your 330. Depending on what you have already, this is anything from a software update to a $1,400+ trip back to Garmin.

You also need to update your 530.

Then, hook those together, and set up the 330 to tell the ground stations that you are listening on 978MHz.

As of today, you can't tell the Dynon stuff to show you ADS-B traffic with any other device but the Dynon transponder (because there weren't any on the market at the time), but in the next software release, you will be able to use the 330 as well. The next software release isn't too far off.

There is no contact you make with the FAA to tell them you are ADS-B OUT equipped, that's what the new software in the 330 does for you.

 

[cmarbach]

Dynon- Now that there is that new release I have connected the 330ES xpndr to the 530W. What do I now have to do to show ADS-B traffic on the Skyview?

Thanks

 

[Garrett]

I have a complete Dynon Skyview system with a GTN-650 and GTX 330ES for a back up transponder using the disable on both transponder inputs with a selector switch. When using the 330ES my Dynon 470 ADS-B still recieves and displays traffic because we are activating the ground stations

 

[cmarbach]

Dynon, I have set up the 330ES and told the ground to reply UAT. On the Skyview, when I try to set up traffic, it is greyed out on the menu and says "not configured". I believe I am now doing ADS-B OUT with the Garmin 530/330ES combo. What now to do to get traffic on the Skyview?

 

[preid]

As of today, you can't tell the Dynon stuff to show you ADS-B traffic with any other device but the Dynon transponder (because there weren't any on the market at the time), but in the next software release, you will be able to use the 330 as well. The next software release isn't too far off.

Any chance the next release will also allow for connections with the Navworx?
Thx!

 

[Dynon]

Carl - Do you have the 330ES connected to a SkyView serial port and that serial port on SkyView configured as a 330ES (and not just a 330?)

 

[cmarbach]

No, I am using the 530W as the position source for the 330ES and thus have it connected to the 330ES not the SKyview.
Here is what you said before:

"What you need is to have a DO-260B compliant output. You need to ask Garmin to be 100% sure, but from what we know, you need to upgrade your 330. Depending on what you have already, this is anything from a software update to a $1,400+ trip back to Garmin.

You also need to update your 530.

Then, hook those together, and set up the 330 to tell the ground stations that you are listening on 978MHz. "

I've done this. The 530 and the 330 are doing its thing and the 330 says ADS-B. Now, how do I get the traffic "in" on the SKyview?

 

[Dynon]

The 330ES's serial output (this doesn't collide with the 530's GPS position reporting into the 330ES) also needs to be connected to SkyView (the 330ES's transmit needs to be connected to our receive). This lets SkyView display the 330ES's status information, lets SkyView receive the 330's TIS data for when ADS-B isn't available, and also let's SkyView know that there's a 330ES in the aircraft. A few other things need to be set properly too, as documented in our manual. See page 14-1 in the latest installation manual for complete details - the excerpt is below in bad copy/paste:

Garmin GTX 330ES – To enable ADS-B traffic with a Garmin GTX 330ES, both the serial port transmit and serial port receive between SkyView and the GTX 330ES must be connected and configured. In addition, for SkyView v6.0 only, perform the following procedure to set the GTX 330ES Hex Code into SkyView: 1. SETUP MENU > SYSTEM SETUP > SERIAL PORT SETUP > SERIAL PORT x SETUP (choose an unused serial port) > DYNON 261 TRANSPONDER > ACCEPT (button) 2. SETUP MENU > TRANSPONDER SETUP > AIRCRAFT HEX CODE > (enter the hex code assigned to your aircraft) > ACCEPT (button) 3. SETUP MENU > SYSTEM SETUP > SERIAL PORT SETUP > SERIAL PORT x SETUP (choose the serial port with the DYNON 261 TRANSPONDER) > NONE > ACCEPT (button)

 

[cmarbach]

Other than connecting the serial output and receive the rest of that stuff only concerns V6.0-we are running V7.0 .....right?

 

[Dynon]

Not sure I understand the question. You can be running any of 6.0 or later, but the setup is the same for all.

 

[cmarbach]

The manual says, "for 6.0 ONLY". DO I have to do all that stuff for V7.0?

 

[cmarbach]

I have now connected the 330ES to the Skyview and...I now see ADS-B traffic. BUT, there is a message that says, "Transponder fail". The 330ES says ADS-B is working and I do see traffic. Also, the map page on the lower left hand corner says, "ADS-B" and under that "Partial". Why do I get the Transponder fail. and ADS-B Partial??

 

[cmarbach]

Sorry the ADS-B partial is on the lower right corner.

 

[Dynon]

SkyView won't think it has the whole traffic picture if it doesn't think the transponder is working (because in that case, it can't be sure that the transponder is outputting ADS-B). So, are you also seeing a red X in the transponder status area on the top bar? If so, SkyView simply isn't receiving data from the transponder. After making the physical connection from a 330 serial transmit to one of SkyView's receives, you need to set the appropriate serial output on the 330ES to output Remote+TIS format to SkyView.

 

[cmarbach]

Still having some confusion: We connected the 330ES to the #1 Skyview, but not the #2. Since the #2 now shows a Xpndr Fail, I guess we have to connect it in parallel with #1- right?

2nd,  we are in Palm Beach, FL which has TIS and after we take off, the ADS-B/Partial indication is replaced by TIS/ OK BUT we only see the TIS traffic not the ADS-B traffic- we know this because the #2 Skyview is still showing ADS-B/Partial traffic.
When we leave the TIS area the #1 reverts to ADS-B/partial.

Besides connecting #2 in parallel what else do we have to do to see all the traffic?

 

[Dynon]

Yes. All serial wires that go to one display need to go to the other. This is for redundancy, so that you don't lose any functionality should either of your displays fail.

If you're NEVER seeing ADS-B FULL, then you're either not getting a traffic portrait traffic from the ground stations, or there's something still not quite configured right. On the screen that doesn't have the transpnoder connected and configured, this would be expected. ADS-B partial is inherently not showing you all of your traffic. In this case, if you ARE getting TIS, then you're getting an pretty robust traffic picture, as you're seeing what the controllers do (this is equivalent, if not more authoriative, to ADS-B).

Here's an excerpt from our pilot's user guide that explains the priorities of different traffic devices:

Traffic Receiver Priority
Only one device can provide traffic information to SkyView at any moment. If you have more than one device that is capable of providing traffic, these traffic sources are priority ordered based on the completeness of the traffic portrait they provide:
1. SV-ADSB-470 with FULL traffic service: Full traffic means that you have an ADS-B ground station reporting, and that ground station is receiving radar traffic. This is only possible if you are equipped with an ADS-B Out device such as a SV-XPNDR-26X or Garmin GTX330 ES transponder. In this case the ADS-B system delivers all known ADS-B equipped traffic and all radar targets that FAA radar system can see.
2. TIS transponder from SV-XPNDR-26X / Garmin GTX 330 (when in an active TIS coverage area).
3. Flarm device.
4. Zaon device.
5. SV-ADSB-470 with PARTIAL traffic service: SkyView will annunciate “Partial” traffic when it has ADS-B reception capability, but that ADS-B reception does not include either ADS-B ground station coverage or radar targets included within those ground-based ADS-B traffic reports. Therefore, the ADS-B ground station is not able to convey a full traffic picture and cannot make you aware of all possible detectable traffic.


I suggest you get in touch with our technical support staff directly at 425-402-0433 so that they can help you with your particular configuration.