GS with HS34 & KX165

Tora101

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Could not find this in the other posts, but I am a bit confused in looking through the factory brochures. Please confirm that with an HS34 and either a D10A or D100, one could connect a KX165 and get glideslope funcitionality when in the "VOR mode." Thanks.
 

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Wait for Dynon's response but I think you will find that they will say no.

The King radio's use some sort of weird standard for their output that does not work well with non King stuff.
 

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As Brantel says, the Bendix King stuff tends not to work. We know a KX-155 won't work, but I'm not sure anyone has tried a KX-165. If you want to try, we'd be happy to work through it with you and take the HS34 back if it doesn't work, but we can't promise that it will work.
 

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Question for the whole community then is . . . has anyone done a KX165 with the HS34, and did the VOR and GS function work on the Dynon HSI?

Do appreciate Dynon's offer on the HS34 refund if it does not work.  But . . . do not want to have the avionics shop tear into this as it will end up costing me a fortune (which I do not have right now)  . . . pulling the existing KG102A & Sandel SN3500 out, installing and wiring the HS34 (already using the D10A), finding out then this arrangement does not work, pulling it all back apart and reinstalled the KG102A and SN3500.

Anyone?
 

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Personally, I don't see why it shouldn't work. The KX-165 has a built in converter with analog ARINC outputs. As long as the HS34 has a resolver-type output, why wouldn't it work?

PilotKris
 

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Others have tried the 155's with the standalone King converter and it would not work so Dynon always sez that they expect that these would not work either.

Something about the way that the King converter outputs non-standard signals that do not truly follow the ARINC standard.
 

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So the "ARINC" that those King converters output is theoretically an analog ARINC standard, but note that this is totally different than the ARINC429 that we support through our digital ARINC429 ports (that support the 430/530/etc). Remember that ARINC is this big company that produces a lot of standards, and ARINC generically can refer to a bunch of things.

Anyway, our implementation of analog resolver interface should work with anything that implements the analog ARINC standard, but customer feedback has shown us that not a lot of radios, including the Kings, implement that standard in the same way we did. The end result is that we haven't found many radios that work well with the analog interface built into the HS34.

Ironically, the SL30 and the 430, our two main testbeds, work fine through the analog interface. But, those radios have serial and ARINC429 connections respectively, so you don't actually end up using the analog at all.
 

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Ironically, the SL30 and the 430, our two main testbeds, work fine through the analog interface. But, those radios have serial and ARINC429 connections respectively, so you don't actually end up using the analog at all.

I'm trying to find a list of known radios that do work using the analog inputs on the HS34.  I have read that the most likely the king radios will not work.  But what does that leave us?  What radios work using the analog input?

Chris.
 

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The two that have been tested successfully with the analog inputs are the Garmin 430 (and similar in series) and the SL30. Of course, you don't actually need to hook the analog up for those radios (they have ARINC429 and serial, respectively), but we thought they would be good enough of a test matrix. As it turns out, we've since discovered that different radios have slightly different analog interfaces. At this point, the King radios, even with the converter, don't seem to work.

If you want to try the HS34 out with your radio, you can buy one to try it out. If you find that it doesn't work right, we'll take the HS34 back for refund.
 

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The two that have been tested successfully with the analog inputs are the Garmin 430 (and similar in series) and the SL30. Of course, you don't actually need to hook the analog up for those radios

So the analog lines are never used for any radio then. Could Dynon change the analog inputs to at least work with 1 or 2 popular nav radios? Maybe the Kings? or some other popular brand?

I would like to have a cheap solution for showing LOC/GS in my plane. And the 430 and SL30 are not cheap. It seems like one of Dynon's appealing features is cost, so why not be able to interface it to other cost effective nav radio units? :)

Chris.
 

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Unfortunately, we don't have the resources to revisit the HS34 hardware at the moment.
 
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