Low Voltage warning

DougR

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Dear Dynon.......

I have a really strong request...... If I thought it would be more effective, I would call it a demand.... But you folks probably don't respond to demands any better than I do... So lets call it a reaalllllyyyyy stroooonnnnggggg request.....

Here is my story... The request is at the end.

I was flying IFR yesterday at 8000 feet fat dumb and happy. I had flown over 3 hours of actual in the preceeding two days and probably over 6 hours actual in the preceeding 7 days....

While cruising along at 8000 feet with the Ap on and the XM playing music and weather, I noticed the Dynon flicker.... I looked and I saw it was the 30 second power down warning. I hit the button and it stablilzed, but less than 30 seconds after the Dynon flickered, the G-430 died, and that sent the TT A/P chasing a magnetic heading....

I called up the buss voltage on the Dynon and it was below 11 volts.
I could not transimit on my #2 radio, so I shut off the master. and with A 396 and the dynon, I figured I would let the battery recover enough that i could transmit. It did and I cancelled my IFR and continued to my destination. No big deal....

But 3 hours earlier I was IMC at 14000 feet with the pitot heat on over the Appalacians. There was a ceiling underneath, but had it happened then I would have had some pretty tough choices......

Here is my request. It is not hard, First off, when the main buss voltage drops below 13.5 volts, I would like a warning of some sort. either a red banner warning across the bottom or the voltage page should pop up with the buss voltage yellow below 13.5 or red below 12.0

Secondly it appears that the Dynon switches to internal battery at 11 volts? it also seems to switch back to main buss voltage at 11. volts.

There needs to be a split between the cutout and cut in voltage of a couple tenths so the thing doesnt flicker back and forth as the system is dying.

Had this occurred in actual IMC where pitot heat was vital a few minutes of battery life to resolve the issue with ATC before the comm radio and the pitot heat failed could be some very precious minutes...

PLEASE!!!!!!! This really is a big deal...... that needs to be fixed and it would not be difficult.

Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal

BTW, the field wire broke. That was an easy fix too.
 

dynonsupport

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Doug,
Battery / Alternator sensing is generally done in an Engine Monitor, and our engine monitors do this. What kind of engine management are you running?

A few other comments:
We can't use a fixed voltage for warning, since some people run 28V systems, and others have diodes in-line with the EFIS.

If we put the warning in the EFIS, you'll get a warning the instant you turn it on since your alternator isn't on yet. If we gate it on things like airspeed, then you won't know about your bad alternator until you take off. An EMS can be gated on oil pressure or RPM.

We do have hysteresis on going between the battery and the main power, but if you are changing other loads in the plane, it's probably easy to bounce between this.  It's .25V.

Finally, your TruTrak, your 430, your X96, and probably every other computer in the plane also knows the voltage of your bus. I'd argue they should be giving you early voltage warnings as well. At least the Dynon EFIS does allow you to use a battery backup and show the voltage it's getting.
 

PhantomPholly

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Just to expand on that - is it possible to set the voltage at which the unit switches to internal power? That message (30 second warning) is a real attention getter, and could be useful for this purpose.

On my machine, when the alternator is running I have rock-steady 13.5v at the EFIS. Having the alarm set for, say, 11.8 volts would give you a warning shortly after the alternator quit, perhaps not immediately but still enough time to take corrective action.
 

dynonsupport

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It's not settable. Again, if you have an EMS, you can indeed set an alarm point. If you have an EFIS, the alert is automatically triggered when the EFIS is forced to drop down into internal battery power. As you've discovered, this doesn't notify you in every conceivable power loss scenario, but as discussed above, it wasn't designed to.
 

DougR

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I agree that Garmin stuff could and should have low voltage warning, but I've had never had any influence with Garmin. Dynon, however, has historically been customer focused and responsive to positive feedback. Do I sense that has changed?

A steady supply of electrical power is pretty important to a primary flight instrument that is pitot dependent, because the internal battery doesn't heat the pitot tube and the Dynon is worthless when the pitot tube is plugged up.

I guess I will have to resort to a plain old alternator idiot light...

DougR
 
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