MAP software
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I have another question. If I don't subscribe and let the map trial expire, what functionality is remaining? (My installation is in a Flight Design CTLS, and the manufacturer has locked down the right side display so that it only shows the EMS and map pages, and I'm wondering what will display on the map page if I haven't subscribed to the full mapping software.)
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won: No. Buy when you're ready
scotty: The map page will still show terrain, but that's all. No aviation or obstacle data will be shown on the map or synvis, and the MAP button will not be available to use the navigation features.
scotty: The map page will still show terrain, but that's all. No aviation or obstacle data will be shown on the map or synvis, and the MAP button will not be available to use the navigation features.
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Dynon:
I love the product! In my case it's a 7" Skyview display running along side a dual screen Chelton. I run a small consulting business for home-builders and have a large avionics background. I fly many different EFIS systems. All have pros and cons. I have a major complaint on the 7" Skyview! The TEXT size in virtually unusable on the MAP and the HSI source/course select as well as most of the menus. My 7" Skyview replaced a BMA EFIS that did a much better job with Font size then Dynon on 1/3 the screen size. I have owned this unit since Dec. 2009. As the functions have been added this problem is getting worse, since you didn't really have the need to do much screen reading on SW Ver. 1. I keep thinking that this issue would be fixed with the subsequent sw. upgrades, but it has not. Unless you have the screen right in front of your nose you can't read any of the information with out 20/15 vision or high powered glasses. I suspect this it is a graphics scaling problem from the 11" unit. I WOULD MAKE THIS A MAJOR PRIORITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE. New function doesn't mean much if you can't really use effectively.
For retrofits and the folks with limited panel space it really makes the 7" unit a non-starter. I don't mean to be too strongly worded here but I love the product concept and the company (purchased many unites over the years). This need to be addressed.
Thank you for your time,
Mike Larkin
I love the product! In my case it's a 7" Skyview display running along side a dual screen Chelton. I run a small consulting business for home-builders and have a large avionics background. I fly many different EFIS systems. All have pros and cons. I have a major complaint on the 7" Skyview! The TEXT size in virtually unusable on the MAP and the HSI source/course select as well as most of the menus. My 7" Skyview replaced a BMA EFIS that did a much better job with Font size then Dynon on 1/3 the screen size. I have owned this unit since Dec. 2009. As the functions have been added this problem is getting worse, since you didn't really have the need to do much screen reading on SW Ver. 1. I keep thinking that this issue would be fixed with the subsequent sw. upgrades, but it has not. Unless you have the screen right in front of your nose you can't read any of the information with out 20/15 vision or high powered glasses. I suspect this it is a graphics scaling problem from the 11" unit. I WOULD MAKE THIS A MAJOR PRIORITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE. New function doesn't mean much if you can't really use effectively.
For retrofits and the folks with limited panel space it really makes the 7" unit a non-starter. I don't mean to be too strongly worded here but I love the product concept and the company (purchased many unites over the years). This need to be addressed.
Thank you for your time,
Mike Larkin
I strongly agree with Mike. The info available on the 7" unit is awesome, virtually unreadable at times, but awesome!
I am deferring the MAP upgrade for this very reason.
FWIW I bought my plane with retrofitted 7" units from a pilot who sold it solely because he could not comfortably read the EFIS - or so he said.
For the 7" units the font issue should be DYNON's #1 priority.
Bill
I am deferring the MAP upgrade for this very reason.
FWIW I bought my plane with retrofitted 7" units from a pilot who sold it solely because he could not comfortably read the EFIS - or so he said.
For the 7" units the font issue should be DYNON's #1 priority.
Bill
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One other short note. Not sure if I am doing something wrong but I do fly a bunch at night. When I dim the screen in flight and if my next flight is in the daylight, when the unit boots it boots to the previous dim sitting. This make it almost imposable to get the unit back to full bright unless you know the button pushes required off the top of your head. I may have a setting incorrect. I recently changed a setting but have not checked to see if this problem fixed itself.
Mike
Mike
For what it's worth, I agree also. Fortunately I was able to look closely at the two screens: 7" and 10" at Sebring in January, and although I was really wanting to install two 7's in my RV-8A, I chose to use a single 10 because I couldn't see the 7" detail easily. Good decision. It is backed up by a Dynon D10A which I had installed last year. Two 7's would have been better but screen resolution's not good enough. I must say I love the 10 and am comfortable with the backup strategy for IFR.
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Thanks for your feedback. We'll be doing some research on improving text legibility, especially on the 7" screen. If any of you want to chime on the elements of the display that you're finding challenging to see, that would help us evaluate where we need to look.
As for the brightness thing - we intentionally don't boot at full brightness to preserve night vision settings that may be explicitly set. We'll be looking into possibly changing the software to have a minimum brightness setting on boot that's brighter than the dimmest setting (which isn't very visible in any daytime light, admittedly, but is great for night, and better than most other competitive units). Additionally, if you use the AUTO setting, the light sensor will adjust the display for the ambient light setting. And, if you don't like the levels for different ambient light states, that curve is user-adjustable under LOCAL SCREEN SETUP > BRIGHTNESS SETUP.
As for the brightness thing - we intentionally don't boot at full brightness to preserve night vision settings that may be explicitly set. We'll be looking into possibly changing the software to have a minimum brightness setting on boot that's brighter than the dimmest setting (which isn't very visible in any daytime light, admittedly, but is great for night, and better than most other competitive units). Additionally, if you use the AUTO setting, the light sensor will adjust the display for the ambient light setting. And, if you don't like the levels for different ambient light states, that curve is user-adjustable under LOCAL SCREEN SETUP > BRIGHTNESS SETUP.
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All text on the 7" are too small to be read from the opposite seat in a side-by-side cockpit. The only way these tired eyes can see that text is to lean way over.
If I sit in the right seat, it is still way too small to be comfortable.
The 10" is excellent from either seat.
If I sit in the right seat, it is still way too small to be comfortable.
The 10" is excellent from either seat.
From memory the block GPS0, WAYPOINT, Ditsance; DA; all WIND & TEMP data. Nothing of that size text is easily readable on the EFIS.
On the MAP nothing is readable.
Engine page the smallest text size is unreadable too. The fuel and range data blocks are favorites but readable only if I crane my neck.
This is from the pilot's seat to the pilot's panel.
On the MAP nothing is readable.
Engine page the smallest text size is unreadable too. The fuel and range data blocks are favorites but readable only if I crane my neck.
This is from the pilot's seat to the pilot's panel.
knowlesbg
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Yes I would have to agree with the previous posts
The map text is just a blur and my sight is not to bad where I can normaly read in the main without the need of visual aids
What we need is consistancy in font presentation with the 7" screen
there is far to much variation
Bruce
The map text is just a blur and my sight is not to bad where I can normaly read in the main without the need of visual aids
What we need is consistancy in font presentation with the 7" screen
there is far to much variation
Bruce
One reason I went with the 10" screen was it was clear that the focus of development was on that, as far as fonts, etc. The 7" could just as well be limited to basic functions not requiring detailed text.
I don't want my 10" screen turned into a Disney cartoon with giant text.
Bob
I don't want my 10" screen turned into a Disney cartoon with giant text.
Bob
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Bob,
I think people are saying that the size of text/symbols etc on the 7" screeen needs work to be larger/clearer.
Presumably, the processor in the 7" screen can make display choices independantly from the 10" screen. I agree that the 10" is fine right now.
I think people are saying that the size of text/symbols etc on the 7" screeen needs work to be larger/clearer.
Presumably, the processor in the 7" screen can make display choices independantly from the 10" screen. I agree that the 10" is fine right now.
knowlesbg
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In my case when making the decision to convert from D100 and and the EMS D10 to a dual SV panel the 7" screen was the most practical option. Other instruments limited the area.
I have no problem operating with the 7" screen enviroment
The problem I have and I am obviously not alone on this one that there is no consistancy in clear font presentation.
Its like reading a page of multipe textured writing with each word requiring differing postures in visual approach
With the zooming capabilities of the MAP surely this can be sorted with this function alone.
:-/
bruce
I have no problem operating with the 7" screen enviroment
The problem I have and I am obviously not alone on this one that there is no consistancy in clear font presentation.
Its like reading a page of multipe textured writing with each word requiring differing postures in visual approach
With the zooming capabilities of the MAP surely this can be sorted with this function alone.
:-/
bruce
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Because of my age and waning eyesight I have trouble with the text without reading glasses even on the 10" SV. I have two fixes. I found some bifocal sunglasses 
. Second I use the bugs to identify the target. They are easy to see. Finally I didn't pay attention to the numbers on my old analog gauges. If it was in the green it was good. I use the same technique with the SV.
Now if I could only see the runways I'd be good.
I like the graphics on the SV. I'm sure that's why most of us chose it. I'm with BobB, let's not mess with the aesthetics.
. Second I use the bugs to identify the target. They are easy to see. Finally I didn't pay attention to the numbers on my old analog gauges. If it was in the green it was good. I use the same technique with the SV.Now if I could only see the runways I'd be good.
I like the graphics on the SV. I'm sure that's why most of us chose it. I'm with BobB, let's not mess with the aesthetics.
I tested D700 now for more than 30 hours. Following fields must be depict bigger:
- value beside autopilot HDG or TRK: in the same size like HDG or TRK
- value beside autopilot ALT: in the same size like ALT
- GPS Source, DTW and TO is also too small
- wind direction/speed is too small
- OAT ist too small
- the lower/upper limits of the airspace are mostly completly unreadable
For the last point it would be very fine, if the limits would be written near the point where the plane will enter this airspace and/or in the same way as Garmin do: you can move a cursor into this airspace and see in a popup the limits and other information about this airspace.
Thanks Dynon!
- value beside autopilot HDG or TRK: in the same size like HDG or TRK
- value beside autopilot ALT: in the same size like ALT
- GPS Source, DTW and TO is also too small
- wind direction/speed is too small
- OAT ist too small
- the lower/upper limits of the airspace are mostly completly unreadable
For the last point it would be very fine, if the limits would be written near the point where the plane will enter this airspace and/or in the same way as Garmin do: you can move a cursor into this airspace and see in a popup the limits and other information about this airspace.
Thanks Dynon!
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Second the motion---dont forget the text on the map too (airport IDs, intersections etc).
S
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Currently there are only 4 options that can be displayed on the map, Ground Speed, GPS Altitude, Bearing to way point, Distance to way point. I'd like to see more options like, time to destination, time to next waypoint, etc.
mmarien
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Have you guys filled out the map feedback survey:
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/map-feedback.html
It will help Dynon schedule features.
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/map-feedback.html
It will help Dynon schedule features.