chriscalandro
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This thread is meant to be a small annoyance to whoever sees it reminding them that - we're waiting.
It’s not a delay, it’s a cancellation.
There’s a big difference.
It is likely that Dynon's decisions are market driven. Unfortunately the short-body Mooneys do not have very high market valuations anymore.It’s not a delay, it’s a cancellation.
There’s a big difference.
It is likely that Dynon's decisions are market driven. Unfortunately the short-body Mooneys do not have very high market valuations anymore.
How many folks are going to drop more than 50% of the current value of their plane into a Dynon glass panel/autopilot setup? Unfortunately, the C model isn't going for a lot more than an Archer with the same engine these days. There also is the factor that short-body models of '64 and earlier model years have very different aileron control forces that would likely require separate approval. The cleanest path for Dynon is to get approvals for the F,J and K models first, then consider whether other models make any sense as to likely sales vs. R&D/certification dollars required.
You are somewhat mis-representing the data above. It shows interest from 70 short body owners. How many of those would actually pay for even a single screen with necessary accessories and autopilot is unknown( and not close to 50% of those expressing interest). By contrast there is interest from 109 intermediate body owners, who are somewhat more likely to pay the money.View attachment 4448
This is Dynon’s market research data.
Its not as much about how much your airplane is worth, it’s about what it adds to the airplane.
In this case nearly 50% if the interest was in the short body Mooney. The majority of that being the 65-67 models.
From what I know, the people I've talked to, and the airplanes I have personally been involved with, I believe you will see more short body Mooneys make the purchase than the mid body. The reason IS the autopilot. Right now the only options for the short body Mooney autopilot are the old stec30, and the Garmin GFC500, which is still very recent. For the cost of the GFC500, you can have a full glass panel in your airplane if you go the Dynon route.You are somewhat mis-representing the data above. It shows interest from 70 short body owners. How many of those would actually pay for even a single screen with necessary accessories and autopilot is unknown( and not close to 50% of those expressing interest). By contrast there is interest from 109 intermediate body owners, who are somewhat more likely to pay the money.
You put $15 K for a Dynon system and 10K for certified GPS (plus installation) into a short body and it might add 10K to the sales value. Yes, much nicer to fly, but when you sell, at best you might get 50% back. There is a cap on what most buyers will pay for a '65-'67 Mooney no matter how nice. Ask those that own C models with full 201 mods including engine. Yes, worth more, but not close to what was spent on them.
Where did you run the servo wiring for the AP servos? I asked Dynon where they were planning to put them and their tech support wouldn't answer. I'm doing an M20K now and planned to install the wiring but would like at least a reasonable chance of getting it correct. I'm assuming tail and wing but does it matter which wing? KFC150 was in right wing.I have a mid-body M20-K and Dynon HDX is already installed along with all the wiring for the AP and the hole in the panel where the module will go. HDX is great and the difference between glass and steam is amazing. The weather data lone is worth the price but there's so much more to appreciate with HDX. For sure the delays are disappointing and frustrating, I'm tired of hand flying long trips. The cost of now installing a different AP is prohibitive, the only economical option might be Aerocruise 100 (TruTrak) but I have no confidence in the timing - BK probably have the same certification issues as Dynon and they have a bus-load more money to throw at this than Dynon. How long have we all be waiting for TruTrak...talk about frustration. The question for me is how do we help Dynon stay motivated and what can we do to make the certification process go faster? If Dynon has an answer to this, just let us know!
Short bodies are lucky, your panel configuration allows for (easier) dual 10" install. On the K model the angled breaker panel has to be modified to allow space for the second 10" - it can be done but a lot of work...maybe when I retire. The Dynon gallery has good pictures of Mooney installs ranging from C to K models.I second this ! Im currently designing then installing a dual 10” with every option. Anything we can do to support !
I did my partI have a mid-body M20-K and Dynon HDX is already installed along with all the wiring for the AP and the hole in the panel where the module will go. HDX is great and the difference between glass and steam is amazing. The weather data lone is worth the price but there's so much more to appreciate with HDX. For sure the delays are disappointing and frustrating, I'm tired of hand flying long trips. The cost of now installing a different AP is prohibitive, the only economical option might be Aerocruise 100 (TruTrak) but I have no confidence in the timing - BK probably have the same certification issues as Dynon and they have a bus-load more money to throw at this than Dynon. How long have we all be waiting for TruTrak...talk about frustration. The question for me is how do we help Dynon stay motivated and what can we do to make the certification process go faster? If Dynon has an answer to this, just let us know!
Thanks,Pitch went to the back, where my old Century trim servo was. Roll went to the left wing. This was done in consultation with Dynon so not sure why you did not get an answer to your question - perhaps they are now not sure if it will be left or right wing. FYI, my Century AP had the roll servo in the left wing. Good luck with the install. You're going to enjoy HDX.
I never even thought about a vertical mount (my creativity IQ is not a strength). Gonna measure tomorrow so see it would fit. Thanks for the suggestion.I did my partFilled any survey Dynon would throw at me and committed (through installer) to go for dual 10” setup with AP. For now, I plan to fly my Century IIB (semi working), add D3 as backup for the steam gauges and upgrade 430 to IFD440. so small steps in the right direction... My biggest challenge with this plan is that I don’t have engine monitor and I don’t want to spend money on one before Dynon upgrade.
Have you considered vertical 7” for just engine monitor and backup? I have J so very much same panel redo challenges.