While the FAA is offering a new refund program, at the same time they have quietly disallowed the GPS-250 that originally was supposed to be good as a source until Dec 2019. Those using the GPS-250 are getting letters telling them their ADS-B does not meet requirements and must be corrected in 45 days or they will no longer get traffic from ground stations. The only solution is to take out your credit card and order a GPS-2020.
New FAA ADS-B policy
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William_Ince
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Absolutely correct.
You totally misunderstand. The GPS 250 was never approved for 2020. It was however, an acceptable source until 2020. That is what just changed. Dynon was able to show that it met the requirements for SIL 1 performance, and users of the 250 were able to get full TIS-B service until a month ago. Originally those 250 owners would not have had to purchase a GPS 2020 until Dec. 2019. Now they have to do that replacement immediately. Otherwise their reception of TIS traffic will be turned off immediately.
airguy
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It's not the first time the FAA has said one thing, and then later done another.
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Honestly the deadline is in a year and the technology won't change or get any cheaper in that time so you might as well upgrade now. The GPS antenna is a really simple component to replace.
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Same 4 wires as the 250. Unplug one set, plug in the other, end of story. It's not even very expensive, listing at $590.
Not sure what all the griping is about, especially since it's the FAA that's giving the grief.
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LOL. Dude. Okay, it's not just an antenna. It is a receiver. Go ahead an file and IFR flight plan with it as your approved navigation device and go fly in the clouds. ;D
So the whole -250 vs -2020 thing is nuanced. A couple of years ago, because of the way the SIL=0 (-250 at the time) ADS-B Out reports interact with other traffic, FAA decided to consider SIL=0 aircraft the same as completely unequipped. So -250 equipped aircraft stopped receiving aggregated traffic from the ADS-B ground stations. We looked, determined that we meet the requirements to be a SIL=1 device, and asked if those wake up the system and get sent traffic back. The FAA confirmed that they would. I don't think that they ever promised that it would work until -2020, but I don't think we anticipated that they'd change anything after that. What is true is that you don't have to have a compliant Out solution (which would require a -2020 or other certified GPS position source) until 2020. That isn't the same as saying "the -250 will work until -2020". Now that the FAA is ramping up automated compliance testing, they've determined that ANY non-compliant emitter will not receive traffic back. We can't speak for them, but I suspect that the approach is to tighten things up as 2020 approaches. If we weren't only year or so from the actual mandate deadline, we'd probably look into whether or not there were other solutions (like we did years ago with the SIL=1 solution) that would preserve traffic, but at this point, with the mandate around the corner, and the -2020 being perhaps the most affordable way to update to be compliant, we think that our efforts aren't best spent trying to have the FAA issue a temporary reprieve here.
LOL. Dude. Okay, it's not just an antenna. It is a receiver. Go ahead an file and IFR flight plan with it as your approved navigation device and go fly in the clouds. ;D[/quote]
Receiver does not mean or equal IFR approved receiver, much less IFR Approach approved receiver. Of course today's FAA thinks you need a 1950s needle or pair of needles to follow, and a pre-loaded flight plan to take you over each fix in the approach plate with little or no input from the pilot.
Oh for the days when one had to manually tune an ADF to 3 NDBs in sequence to fly an NDB approach.
As opposed to using mush for brains and following a magenta line. ;D
Receiver does not mean or equal IFR approved receiver, much less IFR Approach approved receiver. Of course today's FAA thinks you need a 1950s needle or pair of needles to follow, and a pre-loaded flight plan to take you over each fix in the approach plate with little or no input from the pilot.
Oh for the days when one had to manually tune an ADF to 3 NDBs in sequence to fly an NDB approach.
As opposed to using mush for brains and following a magenta line. ;D