Noise with my G430W

Pegaz

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I have a noise with my G430W and they stop when I turn off the SV.
My intercom is a PM501. The SV must be plugged into the music input.
I do not have filters or ferrite on the wirring. The antenna cable is a RG400.
Can you give me any advice?
Thanks
 

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When you say you have noise with the G430, what does that mean, more precisely?

Is its squelch breaking more easily? Or is it affecting transmissions? Or is there noise in your audio system in general? What audio panel or intercom are you using?
 

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It is a Garmin 430W and the intercom a PM501. The noise is like a permanent and loud squelch ton for VHF reception when the SkyView is turned on. The noise stops as soon as the SV is off. There is no problem with the emmission.
The audio output of the SV is connected to the Entertainment input of the intercom PM501. Perhaps may the problem come from this connection? How to check it?
Do you have any other suggestions?
Thank you
 

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So is the Garmin's squelch actually opening up (ie, you're getting an RX indication on its display)? If you turn off the G430, do you still hear noise in the intercom?

If squelch is opening actually opening up, the following are some suggestions and troubleshooting steps you can go through:

First, understand that RF interference is the function of the entire aircraft wiring design and not solely individual components. In SkyView's case, we performed tests at a fully certified lab that Boeing (we're in the Seattle area) also uses. SkyView meets/exceeds RTCA DO-160F, category H, for aviation COMM, NAV, and GPS bands. Cat H is the hardest to pass, for devices that are in direct view of an antenna. We did our tests with a full SkyView network with long cables, modules, servos, GPS antenna, battery, etc. You may find that the display by itself is "quieter" than a whole network if you disconnect the display from the SkyView Network modules, but the whole network does pass including all accessories and wiring, all of which can have effects on emmissions and interactions with other products like radios.

Even certification requirements do allow some noise output. No electronics are silent, and the standards do have noise limits. This is why you will see may see squelch level differences when you have a SkyView on vs. off. We're by no means claiming it does not output RF noise at all.

RF interference can be a hard issue to track, and wiring configuration, antenna location, antenna ground-plane, and general dimensions and construction materials of the airplane can make a big difference. Even manufacturers of certified planes struggle with these problems.


Next, a few suggestions:

The first thing we would recommend trying would be to install a 50 ohm load on the radio, right at the back of the radio, instead of any antenna or coax. This should block all RF from the radio, but the radio will still draw power and create RF inside. Do you still get the noise? If so, the radio's shielding isn't ideal. If you no longer get the noise, try the dummy load in place of the antenna to test if it's getting in the coax.

Next, if that fixes it, then put the 50 ohm load at the end of the coax where the antenna goes. Does the problem come back?

Knowing these things will help isolate where the RF is getting out of the system and into the radio.

Most noise comes from the power input. If you have a SkyView backup battery, does it happen when it's running on battery and not master (pull the circuit breaker/fuse for the EFIS)?

Is it the network cables? Does it do it when they are all unplugged from the screen?

Note that just moving the antenna isn't likely to help unless it's really close to the SkyView or components.
 

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Make sure you haven't accidentally pushed the 430 volume button which breaks squelch.
 

Pegaz

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The noise persists when the SV is off except curiously on the frequency of my airfield : 119.00 and above 130.00 Mhz.

Does connect the power the SV elsewhere that on the avionic bus does not change anything. Cutting the power of the intercom does not change anything.

Putting the SV ON, the noise is on all frequencies. By deleting the EMS and the Adahrs, the noise disappears on the frequency of 119 and higher than 130. It is as if the SV is off

It has the same conclusion by modifying the routing of the cable and by relocating the antenna.

Emission measurements are correct.
 

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Something we forgot to ask in our initial discussion - what is the S/N of your SkyView display(s)? SETUP MENU > LOCAL DISPLAY SETUP > DISPLAY HARDWARE INFORMATION.

The noise persists when the SV is off except curiously on the frequency of my airfield : 119.00 and above 130.00 Mhz.

Does connect the power the SV elsewhere that on the avionic bus does not change anything. Cutting the power of the intercom does not change anything.

Putting the SV ON, the noise is on all frequencies. By deleting the EMS and the Adahrs, the noise disappears on the frequency of 119 and higher than 130. It is as if the SV is off

It has the same conclusion by modifying the routing of the cable and by relocating the antenna.

Emission measurements are correct.
 

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Please contact Dynon Avionics Technical Support - support@dynonavionics.com. Ask for P/N 101381-000 for SV-D1000 S/N 2527. If you're planning to upgrade your SV-D1000 to an SV-D1000T (SkyView Touch), this issue will be corrected as part of that upgrade.

SV 1000 S/N 002527
 

Pegaz

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I installed the filters that you have sent me and it works very well, I have not noise.

Merci beaucoup !  :D
 
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