Oil Temp Fluctuation

clardner

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I have an EMS-D10 installed on a Lycoming IO-540-K1E5 and show large fluctuations in oil temp readings. I've seen as high as +-40 degrees, but usually in the +-20 degree range. I'm receiving fluctuations on the ammeter as well (+-4 amps). All fluctuations occur within a half second. All of my other sensor readings (CHT, EGT, Oil pressure, fuel pressure, etc) are stable and within reason. Where could my problems lie?

Chris
 

PilotKris

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I have the exactly same problem with my D180 and a Rotax 912ULS. Dynon keeps telling me that it's a grounding problem.

I've beefed up the ground to the D180 to a ridiculous size (dual 10g grounds directly to the battery) and it's only marginally reduced the fluctuations.

I've put an oscilloscope on the alternator output and only see very small AC ripple but the fluctuations go away when I take the alternator off line.

I'm stummped
 

Marc_J._Zeitlin

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I had a very similar issue very recently with an EMS-D120. I started getting short term jumpiness and fluctuations in the EGT/CHT's. Sometimes, putting pressure on either of the two connectors (37 pin or 25 pin) would get the fluctuations to go away, and sometimes it would redline the temps either high or low until the pressure was relieved. It affected ALL eight temp. measurements.

After some troubleshooting (checking the connector pin insertions and wire connectivity) as directed by Dynon which didn't give any new info or direction, I returned the unit to Dynon. They verified the behavior and found a bad motherboard - possibly bad internal traces. The pressure on the connectors was causing some sort of intermittent trace opening or closing internal to the board, they think. They have replaced the bad hardware and returned the unit to me, but I haven't reinstalled it yet.

I would suggest talking to them about this type of possibility - a bad PC board.
 

dynonsupport

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Marc's case was a very different one, so I doubt your unit is bad.

When we see oil temp problems, it is almost always a mediocre ground between the engine and the airframe. The oil temp sensor is very sensitive, so a few mV of error is noticeable.

When in flight, your alternator is the thing powering the plane, so all the current in your plane goes through the ground connection from the engine to the airframe. If this connection is resistive at all, there will be a voltage drop across this (Mr. Ohm was right!), and this voltage will add to the voltage that the EMS sees for the oil temp, causing an error. Given that the load in an airplane varies, so will the oil temp.

We've seen this caused by painted engines and thus painted ground lugs, painted airframe grounding spots, frayed cables, and just small cables. It happens more on composite planes than metal ones, but it happens everywhere.

Let's get your grounding problem fixed, and see if that helps your amps as well. If it doesn't, then we'll look at that once we get the oil temp stabilized.
 

clardner

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Thanks for the reply. I do have a wooden airplane. I will check the engine ground lug, because now that I think about it, it may be painted. However, why are my CHT/EGT readings so stable? Are they not as sensative as the oil temp?
 

dynonsupport

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EGT and CHT are differential- the only thing that matters is the difference between the two wires, so no ground issues come in to play here.

The Oil temp is referenced to ground (it has only one wire), so it is sensitive to these ground changes. There are two wire oil temp probes, but they are more expensive.
 

aceflyingservice

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Many EMS users seem to have this oil temp fluctuation problem, probably caused by grounding issues, myself included. Will a 2 wire oil temp probe work with the EMS. If so, can you supply this probe or give us a part number and supplier.

I have chased the grounding issue for hours with limited results. If a 2 wire probe will solve the problem, sign me up.


Roger Johnson
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dynonsupport

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The two wire oil temp probe we know of that works is the one that Grand Rapids (GRT) sells. I believe this is part # FT-LC-01. You hook one wire to our oil temp wire and the other to a local ground to the EMS.
 

juan_rivera

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I installed the Grand rapids oil temp sensor and it solved the problem of the oil temp indication not being stable. The sensor was only 20 dollars.
 

bbtapb

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Hi.
I got the GRT Lycoming oil temp sensor before Dynon came to Oshkosh. It is a two wire sender. I'll check that it has the above part number. But, if it does, is it ok to use as described here with SkyView EMS?
Thanks
 

dynonsupport

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The GRT oil temperature sensor is in the SkyView sensor definitions.
 
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