Problem with Adding a cabin temp sensor.

jaba-who

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I’ve got a Jabiru 6 cylinder engine all set up and apparently working in my skyview HDX

Ive got a spare Dynon OAT type probe (with two wires -one white, one black and white. )
Tried to install it as a cabin temp probe
connected up to pins on the 37 pin input.
I selected a ground and (I forget specifically which ) a general input pin.
when mapping the input I selected temp and it only gives option of J or K type sensor. I assume it’s a K type.
It seems to set up OK but is then fixed at 34 degrees C on screen when cabin temp is anything but 34.
I’m not sure if I’ve selected a wrong pin or should use a different mapping and set up method.
Any hints from the assembled masses.
 

swatson999

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Maybe because it's not a K type thermocouple? Did you read the installation instructions about the OAT sensor?
 

jaba-who

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I have no data sheet or instructions on the probe and when I’ve done searches on it and can’t get anything.
It’s just one I had in my spares box.
But when you map the sensors and tell it the pin mapping is for a temp probe the only options you get in the menu list that appears is for either J or K type sensors. No option for anything else. It’s clearly not a J type but figured it’s possibly not a k type thermocouple either.
So the question is how do I set it up?
 

swatson999

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Seriously? The installation manual is available on the Dynon site for download. You'll find everything you need to know about the OAT probe in there.
 

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Not sure why you think it's "clearly not a J type thermocouple"....

Here's a hint - K-type thermocouples are used for high temperature applications, like exhaust gas and flame monitoring. J-type thermocouples are typically used for lower temperatures, like CHT and OAT.

As mentioned above, RTFM is very helpful, you might try it.
 

swatson999

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Yes, which is why the Installation Manual says

The SV-OAT-340 is designed specifically to work with the SV-ADAHRS-200/201 and SV-MAG-236.

And why we were telling the OP to *read it*. He was, essentially, just randomly plugging in wires without understanding the sensors.

I continue to be mystified by people who won't bother to READ THE MANUALS that the manufacturer provides, on-line and free of charge, before they try "stuff", then come here and expect others to solve their problems for them.
 

jaba-who

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Thanks for the complete lack of help from the above.
( except for Marc J zeitlin who gave the useful information that it is a Thermister - which I have not been able to find or confirm in previous extensive searches because the specs and data information about the actual make up of the SV OAT 340 is actually very minimal )
Marc - for my own future use do you have a link on the data specs of the probe? I couldn't find anything other than "sales pitch blurb"?

Perhaps the rude negative responders might read the following -

Swatson999 - I am not trying to install it as an OAT.
I clearly state I am installing it as a seperate cabin temp sensor. A sensible reader would assume as I have a working aircraft the OAT is already installed and in use and using the appropriate inputs. Therefore the cabin temp sensor input has to go in some OTHER input. The reader would read and should infer that since I have stated that I have installed, mapped and having got menus that ask if it's a K or J type that I'm probably using the manual already to get to that point.

The manual states to install a cabin temp probe to use the 37 pin general sensor input. To suggest RTFM on installing an AOT is a stupid suggestion as it is NOT being used as an AOT. It is repurposing the temp sensor probe - clearly stated in my OP.

WRT RTFM - which I did extensively during installation and prior to getting on the forum - there is a complete section on installing, mapping and setting up the 37 pin input with a section relating to installing, mapping and defining temperature probes as CABIN SENSORS which is what I followed. however it is actually fairly limited once you get to the section on steps for the set up. In doing so it gives only options for k and j type thermocouple.

While the manual says the "SV-OAT-340 is designed for" etc that is not actually true. It's the reverse. In products of this type, the design of the type of probes ( k type, j type, thermistors etc) already exist and are essentially unmodifiable. One type is selected by the module designer and the circuitry of the module is developed to accomodate the sensor type. Not the other way round. The standard sensors get used in multiple other applications where appropriate and where design of the circuitry to use it is appropriate.

In this case it appears from the mapping instructions that they only thought of options for k and J type thermocouples. As it happens it appears I have a thermister so I am simply asking if anyone has any idea how to map a Thermister as a cabin temp probe.

I did not use random pins - the manual clearly defines in both text and diagram the pin input availabilities types on the 37 pin input side. The only randomness is that the manual states you can use any of a number of pins for cabin temp input and the user can choose any as long as you define them in the mapping process. The choice of that was random but within the scope of the apparently allowable pins. While I chose pins that seemed to accord with the instructions the options of input type remain a problem. I wondered if I had interpreted the manual incorrectly which I may have done, but not because I did not RTFM!!
The setup menus don't seem to give option for thermister.


Airguy stated -"Not sure why you think it's "clearly not a J type thermocouple".

Answer: Because the output wires are clearly not composed of Iron and Konstantin which J types have to have to function. These metal types are visibly obvious and recognisable to anyone who knows them.
K types are bit different as the Chromel and Alumel wires can look similar to "normal" silvered or tinned wires.

And no you are incorrect in your inference that because it's measuring low temps it would be J and that K types are used to measure high temps. k type are used for all sorts of ambient temp sensors. j types coverage range of about -200 - +760 C while K types cover -300 - + 1200C The cheap probes on multimeters and room thermometers etc with the remote probes are often K types. The selection for use in EGT And CHT also takes into account other factors like stability in various environments, lengths of extensions, rate of temperature responses and changes.

Swatson999 - I also continue to be mystified by people who mis-read a post, misinterpret what was said, and then give advice that is clearly unrelated to the question while adopting an aggressive attitude and belittling the OP.




So in response to the unhelpful ( and to the helpful Marc Zeitlin) is there a way of mapping a thermister as the cabin temp input.
 

dougnlina

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You can make your own thermocouple (which you can utilize the dynon inputs for) by literally just buying the wire and twisting the two ends together and crimping. See information on it here: http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/excerpt.pdf (He gets to the DIY part of it towards the end) You can buy the wire by the foot here: https://www.mcmaster.com/thermocouple-wire/
I have done this for my own cabin temp sensor. I also have one on my coil under the cowling (electronic ignition) Both work reasonably well
Doug
 
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So ... is there a way of mapping a thermister as the cabin temp input.
Without wading through your version of War and Peace, let's move on.

Chapter 7 of the Skyview Installation manual, under "General Purpose Temperature Sensor" indicates that an OAT sensor can be used for any temperature sensor, and shows what pins it can be attached to - basically, ANY General Purpose Input. You then tell the config menu that that pin is a GP temp sensor.

It sounds like you're connecting it to one of the TC pins in the 25 pin connector, OR to pins 36/37 on the 37 pin connector, which are TC pins, not GP Temp pins - that might be why it's only giving you the "J" or "K" choices.

Connect the OAT to one of the specified pins on the 37 pin connector, config it for GP Temp, and you should be good to go.
 

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To confirm:

The OAT isn't a thermocouple, so won't work on those pins. But yes, it can be used as a GP temp sensor on certain EMS GP inputs on the EMS D37.
 
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