RS-232

MirokHakusho

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Hello,

I have some equipments to install and I don't know how I should connect the rs-232. Can you help me?

I have the equipments below...

7Panel.JPG


Thanks.
 

vlittle

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Hello,

I have some equipments to install and I don't know how I should connect the rs-232. Can you help me?

I have the equipments below...

7Panel.JPG


Thanks.

The following is not definitive, it would be nice for Dynon to have a once-over to see if there is anything amiss.  It is set up for a VFR panel, plus an SL-30 for NAV and a (future) ADS-B UAT.

It incorporates the redundant serial links just announced by Dynon.  Things to finalize are the operation of the dimmer output.

The unconnected boxes are there for completeness, a different page shows the connections.  Finally, Monroy has a new version of the ATD-300 which provides relative bearing information and serial traffic data.  The new directional antenna from Monroy is the size of a transponder blade, allowing for external mounting.

Comments/corrections enthusiastically welcomed.  
Vern

EFIS.jpg
 

dynonsupport

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The following are two examples... a specific one for your configuration, and a more generic one. It is hard for us to be more specific because of various choices and options that builders have. (Vern's example is a great one!) Two important notes however: 1) we strongly suggest that you install an SV-GPS-250. It provides a 5Hz output, and is battery backed-up through the SkyView display. And 2), with the release of version 2.6 software you must hook up serial devices to both displays.  
SkyView%20Serial%20Wiring%20Specific.jpg


More generically:
SkyView%20Serial%20Wiring%20Generic.jpg
 

mmarien

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I'm guessing the GTX327 TX to SV RX1 is to display the transponder info on the top line of the SV. A missing connection is the SV TX1 to GTX327 RX if you want to have the SV supply altitude to the transponder.
 

dynonsupport

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Thanks, you are of course correct. The drawing is now corrected.
 

klindell

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Just double checking, you have now connected tx pins in rs-232 levels together. With stardard rs-232 chips this does not work, you can only select one source.
Please confirm.
 

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Dynon uses the latest technology to allow them to connect two TX devices to the same wire. Normally this does not work but they have worked around this limitation.
 

dynonsupport

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The following is not definitive, it would be nice for Dynon to have a once-over to see if there is anything amiss.  It is set up for a VFR panel, plus an SL-30 for NAV and a (future) ADS-B UAT.

It incorporates the redundant serial links just announced by Dynon.  Things to finalize are the operation of the dimmer output.

The unconnected boxes are there for completeness, a different page shows the connections.  Finally, Monroy has a new version of the ATD-300 which provides relative bearing information and serial traffic data.  The new directional antenna from Monroy is the size of a transponder blade, allowing for external mounting.

Comments/corrections enthusiastically welcomed.  
Vern

Vern:

On your diagram, the connector for the SV-BAT-320, your pin numbering isn't quite correct. Ground is on Pin 1, + is on Pin 3. (Pin 2 isn't populated.)
 

dynonsupport

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Dynon uses the latest technology to allow them to connect two TX devices to the same wire.  Normally this does not work but they have worked around this limitation.

As of v2.6, the SkyView displays decide amongst themselves which ONE display will transmit on the shared RS-232 line. The non-transmitting display(s) go "off-line" so the transmit line isn't impacted.
 

vlittle

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The following is not definitive, it would be nice for Dynon to have a once-over to see if there is anything amiss.  It is set up for a VFR panel, plus an SL-30 for NAV and a (future) ADS-B UAT.

It incorporates the redundant serial links just announced by Dynon.  Things to finalize are the operation of the dimmer output.

The unconnected boxes are there for completeness, a different page shows the connections.  Finally, Monroy has a new version of the ATD-300 which provides relative bearing information and serial traffic data.  The new directional antenna from Monroy is the size of a transponder blade, allowing for external mounting.

Comments/corrections enthusiastically welcomed.  
Vern

Vern:

On your diagram, the connector for the SV-BAT-320, your pin numbering isn't quite correct. Ground is on Pin 1, + is on Pin 3. (Pin 2 isn't populated.)


Fixed, diagram is now correct.
Thanks, Vern
 

vlittle

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Re: RS-232 and bus interconnect

OK Folks, I've been busy.  Earlier I published a schematic of a typical Skyview dual EFIS system (replicated below).  I've been pondering the amount of interconnect and wondering how I'll be adding and changing the wiring in future as new instruments appear (such as Dynon may be introducing).

What I did was develop an interconnect board that takes all of the avionics that are communicating serially and put them into a wiring hub that allows simple interconnect and easy changes and upgrades.  It uses standard 15-pin DSUB connectors.

I also added some ground/power bussing to simplify avionics grounding and power/bias voltage distribution.  This capability is independent of the wiring hub.

First, the "before" picture:

EFIS.jpg


Now, the "after" picture (same function):

EFIS-AXIS.jpg


Here are the details of the AXIS-15A device:  Actual size is 3.8" x 2.5".

AXIS.jpg


Here's what it does:

AXIS-15A

The purpose of this board is to support:

-The connection of two EFIS system serial buses together. In particular, the SkyView system's 5 serial ports, plus the SkyView GPS power/ground connections.  This occupies 12 of the 15 signal buses on the backplane, and two connector positions.
 
-Multiple instrument connections without wire splices.  Normally, only one connector position is required to support all of the connected instruments unless there is a need to fan-out to more than one instrument per signal by using additional connectors.  Some applications can allocate the unused signals available on the backplane to communicate independently of the EFISs.
 
-Facilitate adds, changes and upgrades.  Simply by swapping connector pins to other positions, a wiring change can be made in a few minutes without cutting and splicing.
 
-Simple access for debugging.
 
-Convenient ground or power busing for avionics instruments using dedicated 15-pin connectors and fast-on tabs.
 
-The ability to add small circuits on board by providing signal access and a prototyping area.  For example, signal monitoring lamps can be wired in to provide visual indication of signal status.

Here's a representation of the wiring. In this example, the lower connectors are configured as a ground bus, a miscellaneous power bus and a dimmer bus with a simple dim function provided by a zener diode.

AXIS_application.jpg


I am considering introducing this as a Vx Aviation product if the demand is there.  If you are interested, please contact me at vern "the at sign" vx-aviation.com.

Thanks, Vern
 

Taigajoe

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Hi vlittle,

great work!

In your diagram I found the ATD-300 (Monroy?) with an serial output TX. I have an ATD-300 but I cannot find an serial output!? Are only the newer ATD-300 equipped with TX output?

Best regards,

Taigajoe
 

vlittle

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Hi vlittle,

great work!

In your diagram I found the ATD-300 (Monroy?) with an serial output TX. I have an ATD-300 but I cannot find an serial output!? Are only the newer ATD-300 equipped with TX output?

Best regards,

Taigajoe

One of Jose Monroy's best kep secrets is the new ATD-300+ which provides directional capability with a new, streamlined external mount antenna. I have flight tested it, and it appears to function properly.

He also indicated that the speaker output pin will be rededicated to a serial data output that will provide TIS encoded information for display on GPSs and EFISs. I had to send my older unit for modification, but he turned it around quickly.

There is no documentation on this new capability other than a brochure on his site. He indicated that there may have to be a firmware upgrade in the future.

Nevertheless, Monroy is now the only passive traffic monitor available with a low drag external antenna. Passive monitoring will be an excellent bridge to full ADS-B, detecting all traffic in radar service areas plus the mandatory ADS-B Out transmissions, without the cost of ADS-B In. It will work in transborder operations (Canada has yet to develop an ADS-B strategy other than wait for the US to figure it out first).

The voice alerts in the ATD-300+ have changed a bit. They seem a little bit more 'urgent' which I don't like. I like my female voices more passive, I guess.

If you need more information on the ATD-300+, contact Monroy, and told them I sent you.

Vern
 

mmarien

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Quick question about the ATD-300+. Does it show all the traffic in the area on the SV or just the biggest threat that shows up on it's display?
 

vlittle

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Quick question about the ATD-300+. Does it show all the traffic in the area on the SV or just the biggest threat that shows up on it's display?

I'd recommend contacting Monroy for info on their product. As I mentioned, the serial output documentation is not yet complete. It does track multiple targets on the built-in display.

Vern
 
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