ETE/ETA computations "jumpy"

swatson999

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I noticed on my flights this past weekend to and from the eclipse viewing that the display of ETE and ETA on the map screen were jumpy in the seconds field, so much so that it would count down a few seconds, then *up* a second or two, then jump down four or five seconds, and repeat. I have a video of it, but that description ought to be enough...

Seems like perhaps the filter needs some work in the TSD computations. This was in level flight, whenever the time to go was < 1 hour.
 

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We blame the moon! ;)

I think those calculations may not be filtered, so in that case seeing some walk in them would be expected.
 

preid

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It has to do with winds. The seconds drive me crazy! it means the calculation is adjusted due to change in GS along flight.
Can we "filter" by removing the seconds option?
 

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We added seconds in 15.1 because we had complaints that seconds were needed and it was standard on other GPS units! We literally had customers tell us they wouldn't buy our system if it didn't have seconds. For their use case, it can't be filtered by much or the delay will break the ability to use it to arrive at a specific point at a specific time.
 

swatson999

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We added seconds in 15.1 because we had complaints that seconds were needed and it was standard on other GPS units! We literally had customers tell us they wouldn't buy our system if it didn't have seconds. For their use case, it can't be filtered by much or the delay will break the ability to use it to arrive at a specific point at a specific time.

I like having them, but it's distracting when they count both down *and up*.

E.g., from the video I have...

51:35
51:41
51:42
51:39
51:40
51:37
51:38
51:35
51:32
51:33
51:30
51:31
51:28
51:29
51:27
51:26

The ETE/ETA computations need a bit of a filter on them. Also, unless it's computing the same number several seconds in a row, it's not updating on a 1Hz rate.

A bit of work might be in order here to "clean up" the function. It's no show-stopper (despite what some people might think about the need to arrive *precisely* on time), but it's distracting.
 

dynonsupport

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The ETA needs to reflect your current speed. It's expected that it goes up sometimes, since it needs to reflect the longer time if you slow down. The issue is that when you're 55 minutes away from something at 150 knots, changing your speed by 0.1 knots changes your arrival time by 3 seconds, so it takes very small speed changes to see an effect here. In fact, at 150 knots you have to be within 30NM for a 0.1 knot speed change to be less than 1 second.

Unfortunately, there isn't a magic filter I know of that can fix this. We can average your speed over a period of time, but with winds, gusts, updrafts, downdrafts, altitude changes, temperature changes, heading changes, power changes, etc, your average ground speed will still not be a constant, and the system will still count "backwards" sometimes, and will still seem stopped sometimes as the filter adjusts to the new condition. At some point it needs to adjust for the fact that your speed is different that the current displayed time. Given the original use case of the seconds display, we also can't filter for very long because all filters are inherently delays. Put in a big filter, and it will show no change in ETA as you change speed until much after the speed change, and then people will wonder how long after a speed change they need to wait to trust the number.

All this is to say "don't blame the filter" because there isn't one that can do much here and still make it useful. We'll put an option to hide the seconds on the request pile. It's the only way to not have the seconds digits do distracting things.
 

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Military missions routinely require seconds to be on target and it would be great to see a Dynon system in a Blackhawk helicopter!
 
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