Hobbs & Tach time not recording

paul.mcallister

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Hello,

I have a new to me aircraft with D120 / D180 panels. The aircraft has an IO-360 and it doesn't seem to record hobbs & tach times. Is this a setup issue?

Thanks, Paul
 

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Doesn't record, as in store, them, or doesn't display them? Hobbs works off tach, so you won't get Hobbs without tach.
 

paul.mcallister

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Currently the Tach time is showing 21.8 and the Hobbs is showing 31.0 and the values never change when I fly.
 

paul.mcallister

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Another update. Currently the Tach time is showing 21.8 and the Hobbs is showing 31.0. I went into the setup menu under Global Settings and reset both of them to zero but when I exit setup mode the values are still displaying 21.8 & 31.0. It might be a fat finger problem on my side but if it is then its not obvious to me.

If anyone has some ideas for next steps I'd appreciate it.
 

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Did you press BACK before exiting the menu? If you did, you need to contact Dynon Support. Your unit may be faulty.
 

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As a old timer here that used to support the D10/D100 series back in the day, hobbs counts when oil pressure is alive (above some threshold), and tach is ratiometric to the RPM. Does the timer/clock work? That's another piece (that would only affect hobbs, I think, technically. So I can't think of any reason that it shouldn't be counting, and I don't think there's any other discrete setup you should have to do for those to work.
 

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So, my Skyview says my Tach time is 1349 and the Hobbs time is 1607. That would mean that my Tach time is 83% of the Hobbs time. Does that make sense?

I had changed the Skyview Classic to a used Skyview Touch a few years back. I didn't have to update these time values in the setup so does this mean they are stored in the EMS and not in the Skyview?

I also have a mechanical timer on the panel that is hooked up to an oil pressure switch. Interesting that it reads close to the Skyview Hobbs time but not the same.
 

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So, my Skyview says my Tach time is 1349 and the Hobbs time is 1607. That would mean that my Tach time is 83% of the Hobbs time. Does that make sense?
It does if your cruise RPM, as set in the engine setup, is set to about 83% or the redline setting for your engine (assuming also that THAT's set up correctly). Check your user manual for "Tach Time".
I also have a mechanical timer on the panel that is hooked up to an oil pressure switch. Interesting that it reads close to the Skyview Hobbs time but not the same.
It's likely that there are slight differences in the standalone OP switch and the 15 psi limit in the Skyview (and the 200 RPM threshold as well).
 

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It does if your cruise RPM, as set in the engine setup, is set to about 83% or the redline setting for your engine (assuming also that THAT's set up correctly). Check your user manual for "Tach Time".

It's likely that there are slight differences in the standalone OP switch and the 15 psi limit in the Skyview (and the 200 RPM threshold as well).
Hi Marc. Sorry to correct u on this.😞 The tach time is at 100% of the time in cruise based on nominated ( in Setup menu) set cruise RPM. If you set it as say 2600 rpm but decide to cruise at a lower rpm then the actual TACH hrs will be an artifact of that, in other words lower. I’m not sure what the case would be if you fly at a higher rpm. The Redline rpm doesn’t have any impact on that 😉.
 

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Hi Marc. Sorry to correct u on this.😞 The tach time is at 100% of the time in cruise based on nominated ( in Setup menu) set cruise RPM. If you set it as say 2600 rpm but decide to cruise at a lower rpm then the actual TACH hrs will be an artifact of that, in other words lower. I’m not sure what the case would be if you fly at a higher rpm. The Redline rpm doesn’t have any impact on that 😉.
Crap. You're right - that's what happens when you go from memory. Thanks for the correction. Apparently he's been flying at 83% of whatever the RPM is set to for Tach. Sigh - don't get old.
 

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Crap. You're right - that's what happens when you go from memory. Thanks for the correction. Apparently he's been flying at 83% of whatever the RPM is set to for Tach. Sigh - don't get old.
Not necessarily. He could be cruising at exactly the screens cruise rpm setting, and the tach will still be less than the Hobbs.

The Hobbs counts running time at 100% of actual time passage - one clock hour is one Hobbs hour. The Tach time is a function of rpm and time - so idling at 800 rpm, with a normal cruise rpm setting in the Skyview of 2400 rpm, the tach will only advance 20 minutes for every hour of actual idle time. Since we all idle during startup and shutdown, and don't taxi at full rpm, we all will have a lower tach than hobbs time.

The tachometer reading is historically used for maintenance purposes - based on number of engine revolutions. Turning the engine slower than the "rated rpm" will turn the tachometer slower. Otherwise we would all just use Hobbs time and there would be no need for tach time.

From the Skyview Users Guide, section 6, revision K
Tach Time – labeled TACH when displayed on an Engine Page, is a measure of engine time
normalized to a cruise RPM. The cruise RPM parameter must be set properly in the system
setup to generate a correct tach time.
Hobbs Time – labeled HOBBS when displayed on an Engine Page, is a simple timer that runs
whenever the oil pressure is above 15 PSI or the engine is above 200 RPM. It essentially runs
when the engine does.
 
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So, my Skyview says my Tach time is 1349 and the Hobbs time is 1607. That would mean that my Tach time is 83% of the Hobbs time. Does that make sense?

I had changed the Skyview Classic to a used Skyview Touch a few years back. I didn't have to update these time values in the setup so does this mean they are stored in the EMS and not in the Skyview?

I also have a mechanical timer on the panel that is hooked up to an oil pressure switch. Interesting that it reads close to the Skyview Hobbs time but not the same.
Hobbs starts recording when you have oil pressure. It records all the time above a the threshold to turn on the switch. Tach time depends on engine rpm. Tach time is recorded more slowly at low rpm. It has nothing to do with clock time.
 

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Tach time measures the number engine revolutions normalized to the cruise RPM and reports time. Meaning: tach time will report one hour of tach time if you run the engine for one hour with an average rpm of the specified cruise RPM. I you do a one hour runup on the ground with a (presumably lower rpm) it will report less than one hour. I you run your engine one hour long with the throttle fire-walled at an rpm higher than the cruise rpm the tach time will report more than one hour.
 

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Tach time measures the number engine revolutions normalized to the cruise RPM and reports time. Meaning: tach time will report one hour of tach time if you run the engine for one hour with an average rpm of the specified cruise RPM. I you do a one hour runup on the ground with a (presumably lower rpm) it will report less than one hour. I you run your engine one hour long with the throttle fire-walled at an rpm higher than the cruise rpm the tach time will report more than one hour.
Great explanation. I have no idea what rpm will give me an hour of tach time for an hour of run time on my Dynon system. It must be somewhere between 2,300 and 2,500 rpm. I have never seen anywhere to change the value in the software settings.
 

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Great explanation. I have no idea what rpm will give me an hour of tach time for an hour of run time on my Dynon system. It must be somewhere between 2,300 and 2,500 rpm. I have never seen anywhere to change the value in the software settings.
Although this is the D10/D100 subforum, For the SkyView systems from the Installation Guide:

https://dynonavionics.com/includes/guides/skyview/SkyView_System_Installation_Guide-Rev_AT.pdf

From page 7-78:

"Use the Engine Information Wizard (SETUP MENU > EMS SETUP > ENGINE INFORMATION) to specify engine type, horsepower rating, redline and cruise RPM ...
...​
Cruise RPM is used when calculating tach time. Tach time is a measure of engine time normalized to a cruise RPM. If you spend one hour at your cruise RPM, tach time will increment one hour. If you spend 1 hour at 1/2 your cruise RPM, tach time will only increase by 1/2 hour.
Tach time is defined as TIME x (CURRENT RPM / CRUISE RPM).
Hobbs time is a simple timer that runs whenever the oil pressure is above 15 PSI or the engine is above 0 RPM."
 
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