Weather on the Skyview
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All of the above (except for checklists) are technically unscheduled (which means they're not pegged to a specific release), but they're in the shorter timeframe.
Checklists are a tough one. We've observed, through units that are inbound for repair, that they're not very heavily utilized. That, plus the lack of volume of customers asking for them at the moment, takes us down the natural path that there isn't as much demand for this feature as there is for other features. So checklists are currently further down in priority than other features.
Checklists are a tough one. We've observed, through units that are inbound for repair, that they're not very heavily utilized. That, plus the lack of volume of customers asking for them at the moment, takes us down the natural path that there isn't as much demand for this feature as there is for other features. So checklists are currently further down in priority than other features.
Thanks for the reply. I flew with a D180 in my RV-4 since it first came out. I used the checklist feature exclusively for pre takeoff checklists. I never mentioned but always wanted the rpm to show on the checklist so when I did the run up and mag check I wouldn't have to leave the checklist screen.
I ordered my Skyview the first week they went on sale. I was about a year from flying at the time and needed the avionics. I knew the engine monitoring and audio alarms weren't available, but thought for sure they would be by now.
I'm 1/2 way thru my test phase on my RV-10 and there have been a few times I didn't notice an alarm event right away. I absolutely loved my D180 when right when a parameter went out, an audio alarm would warn me, especially flying VFR when I'm not looking at the panel for longer periods of time. It always gave me the peace of mind that if I ever lost oil pressure or something, I'd have the maximum amount of time to resolve. I feel this is such a critical feature that it would have been added by now.
The engine monitor function is also great, for normal flying and especially for phase 1. Again, my D180 had it from the get go, so I expected it way before now on the Skyview, especially since it is your premier product. It just seems funny to me that older products that are less advanced have key features the premier system does not.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the Skyview and given a choice, I would not hesitate to purchase it again. I just hope you work on the features your other products offer before adding new ones like weather.
Just one pilots opinion.
-Mike Kraus
Ex D10 owner
Ex D180 owner
Current Skyview owner
I ordered my Skyview the first week they went on sale. I was about a year from flying at the time and needed the avionics. I knew the engine monitoring and audio alarms weren't available, but thought for sure they would be by now.
I'm 1/2 way thru my test phase on my RV-10 and there have been a few times I didn't notice an alarm event right away. I absolutely loved my D180 when right when a parameter went out, an audio alarm would warn me, especially flying VFR when I'm not looking at the panel for longer periods of time. It always gave me the peace of mind that if I ever lost oil pressure or something, I'd have the maximum amount of time to resolve. I feel this is such a critical feature that it would have been added by now.
The engine monitor function is also great, for normal flying and especially for phase 1. Again, my D180 had it from the get go, so I expected it way before now on the Skyview, especially since it is your premier product. It just seems funny to me that older products that are less advanced have key features the premier system does not.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the Skyview and given a choice, I would not hesitate to purchase it again. I just hope you work on the features your other products offer before adding new ones like weather.
Just one pilots opinion.
-Mike Kraus
Ex D10 owner
Ex D180 owner
Current Skyview owner
mmarien
Murray M.
I'll put in my vote for checklists. I noticed that the inflight setup maintains the flight gauges. For me both the flight and engine gauges would be handy to have available while the check list is up. Things like setting the baro and checking RPM drop or doing a pre landing checklist are good reasons for having those two pages up. The MAP page is not so important.
Some other ideas are multiple pages (runup, preflight, emergency, shutdown, etc) callable on demand would be handy. A way to program the buttons in checklist mode so that it's a quick way to switch between (emergency) pages. Not that anyone grabs the checklist when the engine quits, but you can give the passenger something to do while you're flying to the crash site. :-?
Inputting and editing the checklist might need to be done on a computer and uploaded with the USB. Inputting a checklist with the limited input available on the SV would be torturous. Maybe a good reason for a USB keyboard.
It would be nice to see the items checked off as you move through the list.
It may be that checklist are only used in relation to how well they work.
Some other ideas are multiple pages (runup, preflight, emergency, shutdown, etc) callable on demand would be handy. A way to program the buttons in checklist mode so that it's a quick way to switch between (emergency) pages. Not that anyone grabs the checklist when the engine quits, but you can give the passenger something to do while you're flying to the crash site. :-?
Inputting and editing the checklist might need to be done on a computer and uploaded with the USB. Inputting a checklist with the limited input available on the SV would be torturous. Maybe a good reason for a USB keyboard.
It would be nice to see the items checked off as you move through the list. It may be that checklist are only used in relation to how well they work.
Carl,
I agree, but the point is the D10 and D180 have this functionallity already, so why does their premier product not have them? Dynon does not have weather on any product, so I understand that may take some time to sort out. But they have already sorted out the logistics for checklists and an audible alarm, so I would imagine incorporation of those features should be fairly easy......
-Mike
I agree, but the point is the D10 and D180 have this functionallity already, so why does their premier product not have them? Dynon does not have weather on any product, so I understand that may take some time to sort out. But they have already sorted out the logistics for checklists and an audible alarm, so I would imagine incorporation of those features should be fairly easy......
-Mike
jakej
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I'll put in my vote for checklists. I noticed that the inflight setup maintains the flight gauges. For me both the flight and engine gauges would be handy to have available while the check list is up. Things like setting the baro and checking RPM drop or doing a pre landing checklist are good reasons for having those two pages up. The MAP page is not so important.
Some other ideas are multiple pages (runup, preflight, emergency, shutdown, etc) callable on demand would be handy. A way to program the buttons in checklist mode so that it's a quick way to switch between (emergency) pages. Not that anyone grabs the checklist when the engine quits, but you can give the passenger something to do while you're flying to the crash site. :-?
Inputting and editing the checklist might need to be done on a computer and uploaded with the USB. Inputting a checklist with the limited input available on the SV would be torturous. Maybe a good reason for a USB keyboard.
It may be that checklist are only used in relation to how well they work.
Won't the VP-X show checklists ?
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The Dynon D10/D100 systems and the SkyView systems are totally different internally, including processor architecture. This means that basically none of our code from the D10/D100 can move to the SkyView. Thus we need to re-write anything we implement on SkyView.
The issue in implementing these features is not one of thinking through the logistics, it's one of resources from our programmers, and balancing those against what we are hearing our customers want first. We're doing the best we can, and we do change our priorities at times, but with 2,000 customers, there is no perfect order to work on things that will make all people perfectly happy.
As we said previously, data shows checklists are hardly used in the D10/D100, so that has not been a priority for us over other features. Audio is something we are working on, and is a priority for us, and is something we are frankly a bit embarrassed that we do not have yet. But when we look back, we can see each of the features that we put in that got in the way of audio.
Remember that the D180 is based on the D10, then the D10A, then the EMS-D10, then the D100 and D120. It took us a few years to get all these features like checklists, audio, and datalogging in the D180, they weren't there the first day we shipped it either.
Jake,
The VP-X won't show checklists. The VP-X doesn't have any screen or display, it requires an EFIS for all display, so what it displays is up to the EFIS manufacturer.
Internally, the VP-X doesn't have any concept of a checklist. It is purely an electronic circuit breaker system and flap/trim controller.
The issue in implementing these features is not one of thinking through the logistics, it's one of resources from our programmers, and balancing those against what we are hearing our customers want first. We're doing the best we can, and we do change our priorities at times, but with 2,000 customers, there is no perfect order to work on things that will make all people perfectly happy.
As we said previously, data shows checklists are hardly used in the D10/D100, so that has not been a priority for us over other features. Audio is something we are working on, and is a priority for us, and is something we are frankly a bit embarrassed that we do not have yet. But when we look back, we can see each of the features that we put in that got in the way of audio.
Remember that the D180 is based on the D10, then the D10A, then the EMS-D10, then the D100 and D120. It took us a few years to get all these features like checklists, audio, and datalogging in the D180, they weren't there the first day we shipped it either.
Jake,
The VP-X won't show checklists. The VP-X doesn't have any screen or display, it requires an EFIS for all display, so what it displays is up to the EFIS manufacturer.
Internally, the VP-X doesn't have any concept of a checklist. It is purely an electronic circuit breaker system and flap/trim controller.
jakej
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"Jake,
The VP-X won't show checklists. The VP-X doesn't have any screen or display, it requires an EFIS for all display, so what it displays is up to the EFIS manufacturer."
DS - I knew that It was my 'shorthand' way of asking if the checklist feature would be implemented with the VP-X interface - that would be an ideal time, no ?
BTW- I've never seen anyone use a Dynon (legacy unit of course) checklist however many obviously want it. Me, I'm an old dog and will stick with the old paper type and memory - now ....where did Ieave it ;D
Jake J
The VP-X won't show checklists. The VP-X doesn't have any screen or display, it requires an EFIS for all display, so what it displays is up to the EFIS manufacturer."
DS - I knew that
It was my 'shorthand' way of asking if the checklist feature would be implemented with the VP-X interface - that would be an ideal time, no ? BTW- I've never seen anyone use a Dynon (legacy unit of course) checklist however many obviously want it. Me, I'm an old dog and will stick with the old paper type and memory - now ....where did Ieave it ;D
Jake J